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You are equating two very different groups here. The guidelines around assisted suicide are extremely strict, this is not futurama "suicide booth". Being overl

by belval 4y ago

You are equating two very different groups here. The guidelines around assisted suicide are extremely strict, this is not futurama "suicide booth". Being overly holistic about life is disrespecting the right of these people to dignity. We are talking about people with a progressing disease that cannot be cured and that would be forced to spend several months in extreme suffering just because "suicide is bad".

switchbak 4y ago
In those terminal cases, that makes sense. This woman was in her fifties, and took her life with governmental involvement because her housing wouldn't restrict the use of strong cleaners and prevent her neighbors from smoking cigarettes. This is a massively different thing, and some of the professionals involved in the assisted suicide took great issue with the circumstances here. There is certainly a discussion that ought to be had around the circumstances of this (tragic) case.
- belval 4y ago
  The person I was replying to linked a story about someone jumping from a bridge. Yes there is nuance in assisted suicide for psychiatric cases, but the statement "Survivors usually regret it" does not apply here.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    > the statement "Survivors usually regret it" does not apply here. You're not wrong but you may be right for the wrong reasons.
  - switchbak 4y ago
    I agree this isn't directly equivalent to someone jumping from a bridge. You also said "The guidelines around assisted suicide are extremely strict", and the specifics of this case are contentious enough that we're having some serious discussion around it. I think continued debate here is healthy in a compassionate society that wants assisted suicide policies that are appropriate and not overly applied. I can't say if that's the case here (I just don't know enough), but this comes very close to ringing some alarm bells.
bpodgursky 4y ago
The concurrent medical situation where teens in the US/UK/CA have been prescribed puberty blockers and hormones with almost 0 oversight or evaluation makes me pretty unable to trust "strict medical guidelines" on irreversible procedures.

by belval 4y ago

switchbak 4y ago

In those terminal cases, that makes sense. This woman was in her fifties, and took her life with governmental involvement because her housing wouldn't restrict the use of strong cleaners and prevent her neighbors from smoking cigarettes. This is a massively different thing, and some of the professionals involved in the assisted suicide took great issue with the circumstances here. There is certainly a discussion that ought to be had around the circumstances of this (tragic) case.

belval 4y ago
The person I was replying to linked a story about someone jumping from a bridge. Yes there is nuance in assisted suicide for psychiatric cases, but the statement "Survivors usually regret it" does not apply here.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  > the statement "Survivors usually regret it" does not apply here. You're not wrong but you may be right for the wrong reasons.
- switchbak 4y ago
  I agree this isn't directly equivalent to someone jumping from a bridge. You also said "The guidelines around assisted suicide are extremely strict", and the specifics of this case are contentious enough that we're having some serious discussion around it. I think continued debate here is healthy in a compassionate society that wants assisted suicide policies that are appropriate and not overly applied. I can't say if that's the case here (I just don't know enough), but this comes very close to ringing some alarm bells.

bpodgursky 4y ago

The concurrent medical situation where teens in the US/UK/CA have been prescribed puberty blockers and hormones with almost 0 oversight or evaluation makes me pretty unable to trust "strict medical guidelines" on irreversible procedures.