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> However, we cannot control the medication that we take, which carry side effects. >We cannot control what is in our food, we cannot control the air we breath

> However, we cannot control the medication that we take, which carry side effects. >We cannot control what is in our food, we cannot control the air we breath, we cannot control cancer and hundreds other diseases. Seriously? The answer to all of the above - Yes, we can!

cma 4y ago
I assume what he means with medications is if the benefits outweigh the side effects, that person is stuck with the side effects.
- mandeepj 4y ago
  One can at least "try" to find a similar ayurvedic medicine. It has no side effects
avgDev 4y ago
You can control the side effects you may get from a medication you take? If you get an infection you are taking meds. If you get kidney stones, you are very likely getting meds, if you injure yourself and need surgery you are getting meds. These carry risks, therefore, every time your chances of "perfect health" are decreasing. I get that most people on HN, can control the air they breath as they have the means to decide where they want to live, this isn't the case for most of the people. Cancer is literally just a numbers game, people in perfect health at their PEAK get diagnosed with cancer. A top club soccer player is now going through testicular cancer treatment. I am not sure how general person can control any of this.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Many cancers are lifestyle affected. For example, smoking and lung cancer. Excessive sun exposure and skin cancer. Alcohol consumption and throat cancer.
Broken_Hippo 4y ago
No, it really isn't. "Control your medication" might leave you dead if you are diabetic or leave you hearing voices if your meds control a psychiatric condition. In the same vein, you don't really get a choice in most cancers. Sure, you can do things like never smoke tobacco, but you might just be an 8-year-old with bone cancer. And lots of other afflictions and diseases are similar in this manner, much like you probably won't be able to avoid whatever cold is circulating in your workplace. And I've not seen any proof otherwise.
- nradov 4y ago
  Most patients with type-2 diabetes can reduce or even eliminate their need for medication through lifestyle changes. https://www.virtahealth.com/research https://www.virtahealth.com/research
  - tomca32 4y ago
    Absolutely. The problem is that diabetes type 2 is a lifestyle induced condition. People (most not all) get type 2 because of unhealthy diet so sure you can eliminate the need for medication by eating healthy. Insulin dependent diabetes is type 1. Eating healthy still helps but you will die without insulin injections no matter your diet
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    Type 1 exists, and often starts in childhood. Some of the folks with type 2 won't be able to control it with lifestyle changes, there is no evidence that you can cure it, and it has been pretty common knowledge that you have better results if you eat healthily. Your link is an advertisement, however, and doesn't back up your claims. Sure, they cite research - 6 papers - but they were funded by Virta. [1] At least some of the research was done by cofounders. [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-01-27/as-veterans-affairs-tests-keto-diet-for-diabetic-patients-skeptics-raise-red-flags#:~:text=A%20spokesperson%20for%20the%20American,nutrients%2C%20risk%20of%20dehydration%20and https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/...
    - 4y ago
bee_rider 4y ago
There are definitely some medications that can be avoided by healthy living and we should try to minimize our use of those. But there are others that are necessary due to unpredictable random health issues. In my mental model, I'm trying to minimize the number of avoidable medications that I take, because you never know if they'll have some weird interaction with a truly necessary one. I'm not sure if this is actually the right way to think of it, but it seems to be working out OK so far.

cma 4y ago

I assume what he means with medications is if the benefits outweigh the side effects, that person is stuck with the side effects.

mandeepj 4y ago
One can at least "try" to find a similar ayurvedic medicine. It has no side effects

avgDev 4y ago

You can control the side effects you may get from a medication you take? If you get an infection you are taking meds. If you get kidney stones, you are very likely getting meds, if you injure yourself and need surgery you are getting meds. These carry risks, therefore, every time your chances of "perfect health" are decreasing. I get that most people on HN, can control the air they breath as they have the means to decide where they want to live, this isn't the case for most of the people. Cancer is literally just a numbers game, people in perfect health at their PEAK get diagnosed with cancer. A top club soccer player is now going through testicular cancer treatment. I am not sure how general person can control any of this.

WalterBright 4y ago
Many cancers are lifestyle affected. For example, smoking and lung cancer. Excessive sun exposure and skin cancer. Alcohol consumption and throat cancer.

Broken_Hippo 4y ago

No, it really isn't. "Control your medication" might leave you dead if you are diabetic or leave you hearing voices if your meds control a psychiatric condition. In the same vein, you don't really get a choice in most cancers. Sure, you can do things like never smoke tobacco, but you might just be an 8-year-old with bone cancer. And lots of other afflictions and diseases are similar in this manner, much like you probably won't be able to avoid whatever cold is circulating in your workplace. And I've not seen any proof otherwise.

nradov 4y ago
Most patients with type-2 diabetes can reduce or even eliminate their need for medication through lifestyle changes. https://www.virtahealth.com/research https://www.virtahealth.com/research
- tomca32 4y ago
  Absolutely. The problem is that diabetes type 2 is a lifestyle induced condition. People (most not all) get type 2 because of unhealthy diet so sure you can eliminate the need for medication by eating healthy. Insulin dependent diabetes is type 1. Eating healthy still helps but you will die without insulin injections no matter your diet
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Type 1 exists, and often starts in childhood. Some of the folks with type 2 won't be able to control it with lifestyle changes, there is no evidence that you can cure it, and it has been pretty common knowledge that you have better results if you eat healthily. Your link is an advertisement, however, and doesn't back up your claims. Sure, they cite research - 6 papers - but they were funded by Virta. [1] At least some of the research was done by cofounders. [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-01-27/as-veterans-affairs-tests-keto-diet-for-diabetic-patients-skeptics-raise-red-flags#:~:text=A%20spokesperson%20for%20the%20American,nutrients%2C%20risk%20of%20dehydration%20and https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/...
  - 4y ago

bee_rider 4y ago

There are definitely some medications that can be avoided by healthy living and we should try to minimize our use of those. But there are others that are necessary due to unpredictable random health issues. In my mental model, I'm trying to minimize the number of avoidable medications that I take, because you never know if they'll have some weird interaction with a truly necessary one. I'm not sure if this is actually the right way to think of it, but it seems to be working out OK so far.