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I'm not sure of all the details but what about people that maybe used tornado.cash legally? Not everyone who participates in the crypto space, is doing so illeg

I'm not sure of all the details but what about people that maybe used tornado.cash legally? Not everyone who participates in the crypto space, is doing so illegally.. Are they going to shut down banks and ban cash in the US since the US dollar is the most used currency in terms of money laundering?

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superchroma 4y ago
That's, what, people evading regimes? Is there literally anyone else truly affected who isn't a bad actor?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > there literally anyone else truly affected who isn't a bad actor? Those curious, paranoid or with unique threat models. The same ones who distrust banks and use only cash. (They, like anyone using a mixer, should maintain records in case they fall under suspicion.)
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    If I could tick a box every time I spend money that said: “let the recipient know all of the history of where this money came from”, I’d avoid ticking it.
    - mrsteveman1 4y ago
      > let the recipient know all of the history of where this money came from Using a blockchain that's designed to work this way, and then claiming to need tools capable of laundering money in order to avoid that outcome, doesn't strike me as a particularly good argument in favor of either of those things.
      - Scoundreller 4y ago
        But using things for what they weren’t designed for is one of my favourite activities. “It’s a good thing that the people that designed ________ are dead because they’d have a heart attack if they saw what I use it for!”
  - superchroma 4y ago
    I wouldn't consider these people truly affected. You don't have to use a crypto anonymizer just because of your values, it's elective.
- anonymoushn 4y ago
  "evading regimes" means "committing crimes, as judged by some government I don't think is as legitimate as other governments," right?
  - superchroma 4y ago
    sure, if you like, but let's be generous and say, warzone journalists, whistleblowers, etc. It's not a big cohort, but I guess it's a legitimate use. The trouble is that I can't think of literally anyone else.

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superchroma 4y ago

That's, what, people evading regimes? Is there literally anyone else truly affected who isn't a bad actor?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> there literally anyone else truly affected who isn't a bad actor? Those curious, paranoid or with unique threat models. The same ones who distrust banks and use only cash. (They, like anyone using a mixer, should maintain records in case they fall under suspicion.)
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  If I could tick a box every time I spend money that said: “let the recipient know all of the history of where this money came from”, I’d avoid ticking it.
  - mrsteveman1 4y ago
    > let the recipient know all of the history of where this money came from Using a blockchain that's designed to work this way, and then claiming to need tools capable of laundering money in order to avoid that outcome, doesn't strike me as a particularly good argument in favor of either of those things.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      But using things for what they weren’t designed for is one of my favourite activities. “It’s a good thing that the people that designed ________ are dead because they’d have a heart attack if they saw what I use it for!”
- superchroma 4y ago
  I wouldn't consider these people truly affected. You don't have to use a crypto anonymizer just because of your values, it's elective.
anonymoushn 4y ago
"evading regimes" means "committing crimes, as judged by some government I don't think is as legitimate as other governments," right?
- superchroma 4y ago
  sure, if you like, but let's be generous and say, warzone journalists, whistleblowers, etc. It's not a big cohort, but I guess it's a legitimate use. The trouble is that I can't think of literally anyone else.