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Used to respect this guy a lot. Now hate him with same passion. Fcking market manipulating egoistic narcissist asshole.

by ftyhbhyjnjk 4y ago

the_common_man 4y ago
Both seem unnecessary and waste of energy
- thekingofrome 4y ago
  This is what I always say. The only people more annoying than his fanboys are the people that passionately hate him and want to tell the world about it
leobg 4y ago
What caused the flip for you?
- capableweb 4y ago
  I'm also a flipped used-to-be-fan. What did it for me was the diving accident behavior and anti-union/overworking sentiment that made me despise him.
  - leobg 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - mgoetzke 4y ago
    I dont thing the diving accident behavior is something I would fault anyone for. In an emotional time-critical situation he was asked to help. They (Tesla etc) tried to come up with an idea and work on it. Someone else from the actual team became very explicit in his dismissal, Elon responded in kind. Should he have taken the high-road, yes, but considering the situation, people do misspeak. To then say everything after that taints his character forever is just implausible and shows an emotional disconnect itself.
    - cinntaile 4y ago
      He called one of the divers a pedo, is that what you refer to when you say he misspoke?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - emptyfile 4y ago
      "misspeak" He called the diver a pedophile, hired a private investigator to study him and claimed to Buzzfeed in an email("off the record") that he has evidence of the diver being a rapist and buying his wife, or something to that effect. All of those were invented lies, but he also won the defamation lawsuit against him, because he's rich and he can do whatever he wants with no consequences. Oh yeah, he also flew to Thailand for a photo op with the military, showcasing his idiotic submarine while kids were dying in that cave. He's a narcissistic asshole at best, a sociopath at worst.
    - rowanG077 4y ago
      I dislike Elon as well. But the diving incident is not something I dislike him for. It was simply an emotional response when that guy insulted his efforts. There's plenty of reasons to hate Elon but this ain't it.
      - WarChortle18 4y ago
        He called the guy a pedo, hired an investigator to look into him, and claimed he was a rapist who bought his wife. There is no defending that. Elon is a massive piece of shit.
        rowanG077 4y ago
        I'm not defending anything. Expecting perfection from another person is the problem here. Elon is a person with his own defects. Most people seem to think that someone in the spotlights should be free from flaws and humanity. And if they aren't they should be hated.
- emptyfile 4y ago
  Marketing the Auto Pilot. Self driving taxis by 2018 or whatever. Everyone involved with programming or science in general should have called that a scam from the very begging and I'm still mystified that everyone bought it.
  - sgerenser 4y ago
    Yeah I definitely called BS on that one from early on. I was surprised at how convinced people were that actual "Full Self Driving" was right around the corner, but it seemed to almost 100% correlate with how much of a Musk fan the individual was, regardless of how much actual programming/ML knowledge they had.
- jokoon 4y ago
  For me it was the tweets on COVID But even things like the tesla tunnels, and being against public transportation.
koheripbal 4y ago
The celebrity worship is just as juvenile as the celebrity hate. If you are searching for role models for life, it is better to search inward. Plenty of philosophical texts you can read.
- birracerveza 4y ago
  He said respect, not worship. Big difference.
  - Teever 4y ago
    Few people outright say that they worship others.
    - google234123 4y ago
      Everyone will eventually learn that all their heroes have clay feet.
- philosopher1234 4y ago
  Why? Hate is not juvenile, it can be appropriate.
  - inglor_cz 4y ago
    True, but hate should be used sparingly, it is an emotional kudzu that can burn and choke you from within if left to grow unchecked. And there is an oversupply of hatemongers on the net.
machina_ex_deus 4y ago
I'm the opposite. Used to hate him, thought he'd just another self righteous leftist billionaire. But after he started speaking out against the censorship of Twitter, and about depopulation being a problem, and calling out bill gates and Biden, I appreciate him more than before. I think he wouldn't try to back off if he didn't initiate the deal at what was probably the market top for the next several years.
- muzika 4y ago
  Recently conservatives started liking him more, and liberals started hating him more.
jokoon 4y ago
I watched a podcast with John carmack, and he had nothing to say. I felt odd
- dempseye 4y ago
  Why would you expect he had things to say outside his area of expertise?
  - sph 4y ago
    The vast majority of people want to follow someone that has the answers to all of life's problems. Usually the amount of life answers one claims to have is inversely proportional to their wisdom and intelligence. Reminds me of Jürgen Klopp, Liverpool FC coach, being asked by the media what did he think about the pandemic, to which he answered, paraphrased: "why the hell are you asking me such a question? I'm a football coach, who cares about my opinion on a pandemic. Go talk with a doctor or a virologist, not a football guy." EDIT: found the link: https://youtu.be/tZ4bKnpxbYc https://youtu.be/tZ4bKnpxbYc
- thekingofrome 4y ago
  He was the same on Rogan. He has Asperger's and finds it difficult to hold a conversation
  - anthonypasq 4y ago
    ? he was on a 5 hour podcast and talked the entire time
bearmode 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - unknownaccount 4y ago
    - grzm 4y ago
      You can email the mods (including 'dang) by using the Contact link in the footer. (@dang doesn't do anything special, fwiw)
dang 4y ago
Ok, but please don't fulminate, call names, or cross into personal attack on HN. Perhaps you don't owe billionaire trolls better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- effingwewt 4y ago
  Is it a personal attack when each of his points were pretty factual? Like not even subjectively but objectively. Billionaire troll is also objectively factual. I understand the reasons for wanting a passionate topic to stay cool, I'm just genuinely curious about the personal attack angle, not stirring the pot.
  - dang 4y ago
    Yes, of course it can still be a personal attack. There are infinitely many facts. Which ones you choose to mention, how you put them together, and how you express them are at least as important as their factiness.
    - effingwewt 4y ago
      I'm still at a loss for how 'billionaire troll' isn't a personal attack but the others are. What I'm asking is what makes his facts personal attacks and yours simply a 'fact'.
      - dang 4y ago
        Oh I see. The answer there is more subtle (maybe too subtle to have been a good idea) – I was writing that phrase from the point of view of the person I was talking to. When trying to persuade people not to fulminate and whatnot, I usually make an "even if you're right" argument: "even if you're right about $topic, please don't post the way you just did, because it's bad for the community". It doesn't mean I actually think they're right. A harder-nosed way to say it would be: "it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, you broke the rules and that's that". But it usually works better to include the possibility that the commenter is right. It costs nothing (the moderation point is the same either way) and it signals "I understand your point of view and it's not my purpose to dispute it". In this way you're standing alongside the other person, persuading them, instead of standing opposite, berating them. It's also more efficient because by explicitly separating the two things (being right vs. following the rules), there's less energy for the otherwise inevitable objection, "you just don't like what I posted because you disagree with it". So when I said "billionaire troll" it was not to agree, but rather to say "see? I understand your point of view, but you're participating in a community where we all have to take care of the ecosystem—you can't just toss lit matches or trash the place". Reflecting someone's point back to them in language they recognize is a more effective way to show you understand their point of view than merely saying "I understand your point of view". Nevertheless, the operative word in the sentence remains "but". Of course, if you go too far in doing that, you run the risk of upsetting the other side, so you have to thread the needle. I probably should have used a more neutral phrase.

Used to respect this guy a lot. Now hate him with same passion. Fcking market manipulating egoistic narcissist asshole.

the_common_man 4y ago

Both seem unnecessary and waste of energy

thekingofrome 4y ago
This is what I always say. The only people more annoying than his fanboys are the people that passionately hate him and want to tell the world about it

leobg 4y ago

What caused the flip for you?

capableweb 4y ago
I'm also a flipped used-to-be-fan. What did it for me was the diving accident behavior and anti-union/overworking sentiment that made me despise him.
- leobg 4y ago
  Thanks for sharing.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- mgoetzke 4y ago
  I dont thing the diving accident behavior is something I would fault anyone for. In an emotional time-critical situation he was asked to help. They (Tesla etc) tried to come up with an idea and work on it. Someone else from the actual team became very explicit in his dismissal, Elon responded in kind. Should he have taken the high-road, yes, but considering the situation, people do misspeak. To then say everything after that taints his character forever is just implausible and shows an emotional disconnect itself.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    He called one of the divers a pedo, is that what you refer to when you say he misspoke?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - emptyfile 4y ago
    "misspeak" He called the diver a pedophile, hired a private investigator to study him and claimed to Buzzfeed in an email("off the record") that he has evidence of the diver being a rapist and buying his wife, or something to that effect. All of those were invented lies, but he also won the defamation lawsuit against him, because he's rich and he can do whatever he wants with no consequences. Oh yeah, he also flew to Thailand for a photo op with the military, showcasing his idiotic submarine while kids were dying in that cave. He's a narcissistic asshole at best, a sociopath at worst.
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    I dislike Elon as well. But the diving incident is not something I dislike him for. It was simply an emotional response when that guy insulted his efforts. There's plenty of reasons to hate Elon but this ain't it.
    - WarChortle18 4y ago
      He called the guy a pedo, hired an investigator to look into him, and claimed he was a rapist who bought his wife. There is no defending that. Elon is a massive piece of shit.
      - rowanG077 4y ago
        I'm not defending anything. Expecting perfection from another person is the problem here. Elon is a person with his own defects. Most people seem to think that someone in the spotlights should be free from flaws and humanity. And if they aren't they should be hated.
emptyfile 4y ago
Marketing the Auto Pilot. Self driving taxis by 2018 or whatever. Everyone involved with programming or science in general should have called that a scam from the very begging and I'm still mystified that everyone bought it.
- sgerenser 4y ago
  Yeah I definitely called BS on that one from early on. I was surprised at how convinced people were that actual "Full Self Driving" was right around the corner, but it seemed to almost 100% correlate with how much of a Musk fan the individual was, regardless of how much actual programming/ML knowledge they had.
jokoon 4y ago
For me it was the tweets on COVID But even things like the tesla tunnels, and being against public transportation.

koheripbal 4y ago

The celebrity worship is just as juvenile as the celebrity hate. If you are searching for role models for life, it is better to search inward. Plenty of philosophical texts you can read.

birracerveza 4y ago
He said respect, not worship. Big difference.
- Teever 4y ago
  Few people outright say that they worship others.
  - google234123 4y ago
    Everyone will eventually learn that all their heroes have clay feet.
philosopher1234 4y ago
Why? Hate is not juvenile, it can be appropriate.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  True, but hate should be used sparingly, it is an emotional kudzu that can burn and choke you from within if left to grow unchecked. And there is an oversupply of hatemongers on the net.

machina_ex_deus 4y ago

I'm the opposite. Used to hate him, thought he'd just another self righteous leftist billionaire. But after he started speaking out against the censorship of Twitter, and about depopulation being a problem, and calling out bill gates and Biden, I appreciate him more than before. I think he wouldn't try to back off if he didn't initiate the deal at what was probably the market top for the next several years.

muzika 4y ago
Recently conservatives started liking him more, and liberals started hating him more.

jokoon 4y ago

I watched a podcast with John carmack, and he had nothing to say. I felt odd

dempseye 4y ago
Why would you expect he had things to say outside his area of expertise?
- sph 4y ago
  The vast majority of people want to follow someone that has the answers to all of life's problems. Usually the amount of life answers one claims to have is inversely proportional to their wisdom and intelligence. Reminds me of Jürgen Klopp, Liverpool FC coach, being asked by the media what did he think about the pandemic, to which he answered, paraphrased: "why the hell are you asking me such a question? I'm a football coach, who cares about my opinion on a pandemic. Go talk with a doctor or a virologist, not a football guy." EDIT: found the link: https://youtu.be/tZ4bKnpxbYc https://youtu.be/tZ4bKnpxbYc
thekingofrome 4y ago
He was the same on Rogan. He has Asperger's and finds it difficult to hold a conversation
- anthonypasq 4y ago
  ? he was on a 5 hour podcast and talked the entire time

bearmode 4y ago

dang 4y ago
Please don't post like this to HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- unknownaccount 4y ago
  - grzm 4y ago
    You can email the mods (including 'dang) by using the Contact link in the footer. (@dang doesn't do anything special, fwiw)

dang 4y ago

Ok, but please don't fulminate, call names, or cross into personal attack on HN. Perhaps you don't owe billionaire trolls better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

effingwewt 4y ago
Is it a personal attack when each of his points were pretty factual? Like not even subjectively but objectively. Billionaire troll is also objectively factual. I understand the reasons for wanting a passionate topic to stay cool, I'm just genuinely curious about the personal attack angle, not stirring the pot.
- dang 4y ago
  Yes, of course it can still be a personal attack. There are infinitely many facts. Which ones you choose to mention, how you put them together, and how you express them are at least as important as their factiness.
  - effingwewt 4y ago
    I'm still at a loss for how 'billionaire troll' isn't a personal attack but the others are. What I'm asking is what makes his facts personal attacks and yours simply a 'fact'.
    - dang 4y ago
      Oh I see. The answer there is more subtle (maybe too subtle to have been a good idea) – I was writing that phrase from the point of view of the person I was talking to. When trying to persuade people not to fulminate and whatnot, I usually make an "even if you're right" argument: "even if you're right about $topic, please don't post the way you just did, because it's bad for the community". It doesn't mean I actually think they're right. A harder-nosed way to say it would be: "it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, you broke the rules and that's that". But it usually works better to include the possibility that the commenter is right. It costs nothing (the moderation point is the same either way) and it signals "I understand your point of view and it's not my purpose to dispute it". In this way you're standing alongside the other person, persuading them, instead of standing opposite, berating them. It's also more efficient because by explicitly separating the two things (being right vs. following the rules), there's less energy for the otherwise inevitable objection, "you just don't like what I posted because you disagree with it". So when I said "billionaire troll" it was not to agree, but rather to say "see? I understand your point of view, but you're participating in a community where we all have to take care of the ecosystem—you can't just toss lit matches or trash the place". Reflecting someone's point back to them in language they recognize is a more effective way to show you understand their point of view than merely saying "I understand your point of view". Nevertheless, the operative word in the sentence remains "but". Of course, if you go too far in doing that, you run the risk of upsetting the other side, so you have to thread the needle. I probably should have used a more neutral phrase.