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The reason it has taken the traditional car companies so long to catch up is because they are treating software development the same way as designing cars; wher

The reason it has taken the traditional car companies so long to catch up is because they are treating software development the same way as designing cars; whereas Tesla apparently treats FSD with the same attitude as those developing web pages. I'm surprised they haven't coded in an easter egg where the screen displays an animation of Wile E. Coyote being squished into a pancake when it strikes an object. Can't wait for Elon to tweet out "will be fixed in FSD Beta x.y!" sigh...

FireBeyond 4y ago
Read a comment here about someone who worked for a component manufacturer on firmware. Their test suites took around 30-36 hours to complete. They sent some fixes to Tesla and advised them. A few hours later, "Thanks so much for this, everything is working all great now." "??" "We flashed it onto a car and took it for a short drive, and couldn't see any more issues". Same with (one of) the phantom braking issues. Yeeted a fix over the fence in a day or so, which "fixed" some of them, but introduced different ones. Yeeted another fix a day or two later that fixed some of the different ones but re-introduced some of the original ones. Anyone who can tell you with a straight face that that is a safety-first culture is lying.
nradov 4y ago
But actually it hasn't taken the traditional car companies long to catch up. Independent reviewers have generally rated GM Super Cruise as superior to Tesla Autopilot in most ways.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  Generally they haven't rated super cruise higher at the actual task of driving. They've given it the nod for other things (eye tracking, hands free, etc).
  - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
    How well does it compare in crashing into parked emergency vehicles?
    - _ea1k 4y ago
      I haven't seen anyone try a test. It seems to be limited to the kind of roads where they'd be visible well in advance. My guess is that it will shut itself off well in advance as a result of seeing an anomaly. But its hard to say, since noone seems to have tested that publicly. Here's an article that gives a fairly balanced look at some of its other failure modes, though: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/columns/a36118292/super-cruises-biggest-problem-is-us/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/columns/a36118292/supe... "It made it 8.8 miles before abruptly yanking the wheel left, toward the median, and canceling." Nothing about this would keep me from using it. I'm sure its a great system, but like all of them, it requires attention. If you don't intervene (as it expects you to) accidents can happen.

FireBeyond 4y ago

Read a comment here about someone who worked for a component manufacturer on firmware. Their test suites took around 30-36 hours to complete. They sent some fixes to Tesla and advised them. A few hours later, "Thanks so much for this, everything is working all great now." "??" "We flashed it onto a car and took it for a short drive, and couldn't see any more issues". Same with (one of) the phantom braking issues. Yeeted a fix over the fence in a day or so, which "fixed" some of them, but introduced different ones. Yeeted another fix a day or two later that fixed some of the different ones but re-introduced some of the original ones. Anyone who can tell you with a straight face that that is a safety-first culture is lying.

nradov 4y ago

But actually it hasn't taken the traditional car companies long to catch up. Independent reviewers have generally rated GM Super Cruise as superior to Tesla Autopilot in most ways.

_ea1k 4y ago
Generally they haven't rated super cruise higher at the actual task of driving. They've given it the nod for other things (eye tracking, hands free, etc).
- assttoasstmgr 4y ago
  How well does it compare in crashing into parked emergency vehicles?
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    I haven't seen anyone try a test. It seems to be limited to the kind of roads where they'd be visible well in advance. My guess is that it will shut itself off well in advance as a result of seeing an anomaly. But its hard to say, since noone seems to have tested that publicly. Here's an article that gives a fairly balanced look at some of its other failure modes, though: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/columns/a36118292/super-cruises-biggest-problem-is-us/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/columns/a36118292/supe... "It made it 8.8 miles before abruptly yanking the wheel left, toward the median, and canceling." Nothing about this would keep me from using it. I'm sure its a great system, but like all of them, it requires attention. If you don't intervene (as it expects you to) accidents can happen.