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I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of b

I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.

mgoetzke 4y ago
I am writing this from a M1 MBP with screen at extra full brightness (using vivid) and I can say I get way more than 2 hours from it.
- antihero 4y ago
  How much corporate garbage on it, though?
  - speedgoose 4y ago
    2 hours on a M1 is beyond corporate garbage. It's like they try to use as much power as possible, perhaps more than one process is stuck in an infinite loop.
    - Torifyme12 4y ago
      Sounds like a shit EDR that's constantly scanning every file
      - sdoering 4y ago
        First tool all files every hour. Virus scan on file change. Second tool scans also but I don't yet know the frequency.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    Out of curiosity, and aside from Teams which I'm already sadly familiar with, what software is it that you're talking about? Company I work for was just bought by some megacorp, but I'm still using my own 2019 13" MBP for now.
    - geraldwhen 4y ago
      Mcafee and VMware carbon black can fully consume a computer.
      - washadjeffmad 4y ago
        Ask your IT why they're not using JAMF Protect and maybe some light reporting like splunk. Carbon Black probably needs some adjustments, or they need to spec laptops better. That sounds pretty intense and unnecessary.
        geraldwhen 4y ago
        IT is 300-600 people who report to no one in particular. With those tools running, builds take over an hour if they complete at all. With the tools disabled, builds complete in under a minute.
    - tfigment 4y ago
      My company has some McAfee and Palo Alto stuff and the cyvera cloud backup software which scans every file every 4 hours but then triggers the other software because of access attempts. Some of these are suites so its 3-4 diferent things (firewall, dlp, antivirus, ...)
      - deergomoo 4y ago
        > Palo Alto stuff Fuck this company, one of my wife’s jobs is BYOD but requires GlobalProtect for their VPN. After the software has been running for a few hours, even disconnected, it just starts chewing CPU cycles and grinds her M1 MacBook to a halt. The only way to terminate it is via `defaults write` command in the terminal. It’s basically malware.
zmmmmm 4y ago
Irony being, one of the biggest benefits for me of the M1 power consumption is that it can run quiet and smooth even with all the corporate spyware on there. It can even run MS teams along side that and docker too which also permanently consumers 100% of one core, while still staying completely silent. It's crazy to think you have these opposing teams of engineers, the Apple ones working away to optimise like crazy to reduce power consumption and the compliance software teams thinking up new ways to profligately use more.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Sure, but running Docker and Teams will put an M1's CPU at 70c when a similar x86 Linux box would run it at ~40c. Maybe Apple's fan curves are to blame here, but I much prefer a Linux laptop for local dev.
- voltagex_ 4y ago
  Why is Docker's VM not idling?
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    Because macOS. It's not a container, it's a full on VM.
    - raarts 4y ago
      I run Docker on M1. Definitely idling. It must be one of the containers. Try running Docker stats to find out which.
      - zmmmmm 4y ago
        unfortunately it does it even if I kill all the containers. It's a well known issue and they have been circling around with attempted fixes, regressions etc for a long time [1] [1] https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/6166 https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/6166
newman314 4y ago
Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Network/dp/B09GPSMZ92/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B09GPSMZ92&psc=1 https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...
- Torifyme12 4y ago
  Your infosec department doesn't know how to stage patches then and should be ashamed.
  - sdoering 4y ago
    They should not be named "sec". It isn't security. It is compliance.
- aimor 4y ago
  I still can't believe they're able to disable "Hibernate", now "Sleep" is at risk? And of course with all the bloat booting takes forever.
- alt227 4y ago
  >So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces so many support tickets by just actually having machines properly rebooted every night. Without this, people contact IT for glitches and bugs in their system, and when you look at the system uptime it is years!
  - sovnade 4y ago
    Because I have visual studio open, a solution loaded and organized with all the files I need for this sprint, SSMS with the servers all connected that I need, all my tabs open to see my jira board, support tickets, etc, a notepad doc i was using to take notes on a phone call, my ssh key loaded into pageant, and if my computer reboots, i'm going to forget half of that when it starts back up and lose 30+ minutes trying to get set up again the next day. edit: i would legitimately quit a company that made me reboot every single night.
geraldwhen 4y ago
Our macs get admin. I sudo turn off the garbage and I haven’t been caught yet.
- mrtranscendence 4y ago
  I have admin on my work Mac, but I'm not sure how to turn off the garbage. It's pretty annoying and definitely cuts down on my battery life significantly. Between that and Teams being a battery hog I might only get three hours out of what should be a whole-day machine.

mgoetzke 4y ago

I am writing this from a M1 MBP with screen at extra full brightness (using vivid) and I can say I get way more than 2 hours from it.

antihero 4y ago
How much corporate garbage on it, though?
- speedgoose 4y ago
  2 hours on a M1 is beyond corporate garbage. It's like they try to use as much power as possible, perhaps more than one process is stuck in an infinite loop.
  - Torifyme12 4y ago
    Sounds like a shit EDR that's constantly scanning every file
    - sdoering 4y ago
      First tool all files every hour. Virus scan on file change. Second tool scans also but I don't yet know the frequency.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, and aside from Teams which I'm already sadly familiar with, what software is it that you're talking about? Company I work for was just bought by some megacorp, but I'm still using my own 2019 13" MBP for now.
  - geraldwhen 4y ago
    Mcafee and VMware carbon black can fully consume a computer.
    - washadjeffmad 4y ago
      Ask your IT why they're not using JAMF Protect and maybe some light reporting like splunk. Carbon Black probably needs some adjustments, or they need to spec laptops better. That sounds pretty intense and unnecessary.
      - geraldwhen 4y ago
        IT is 300-600 people who report to no one in particular. With those tools running, builds take over an hour if they complete at all. With the tools disabled, builds complete in under a minute.
  - tfigment 4y ago
    My company has some McAfee and Palo Alto stuff and the cyvera cloud backup software which scans every file every 4 hours but then triggers the other software because of access attempts. Some of these are suites so its 3-4 diferent things (firewall, dlp, antivirus, ...)
    - deergomoo 4y ago
      > Palo Alto stuff Fuck this company, one of my wife’s jobs is BYOD but requires GlobalProtect for their VPN. After the software has been running for a few hours, even disconnected, it just starts chewing CPU cycles and grinds her M1 MacBook to a halt. The only way to terminate it is via `defaults write` command in the terminal. It’s basically malware.

zmmmmm 4y ago

Irony being, one of the biggest benefits for me of the M1 power consumption is that it can run quiet and smooth even with all the corporate spyware on there. It can even run MS teams along side that and docker too which also permanently consumers 100% of one core, while still staying completely silent. It's crazy to think you have these opposing teams of engineers, the Apple ones working away to optimise like crazy to reduce power consumption and the compliance software teams thinking up new ways to profligately use more.

smoldesu 4y ago
Sure, but running Docker and Teams will put an M1's CPU at 70c when a similar x86 Linux box would run it at ~40c. Maybe Apple's fan curves are to blame here, but I much prefer a Linux laptop for local dev.
voltagex_ 4y ago
Why is Docker's VM not idling?
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Because macOS. It's not a container, it's a full on VM.
  - raarts 4y ago
    I run Docker on M1. Definitely idling. It must be one of the containers. Try running Docker stats to find out which.
    - zmmmmm 4y ago
      unfortunately it does it even if I kill all the containers. It's a well known issue and they have been circling around with attempted fixes, regressions etc for a long time [1] [1] https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/6166 https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/6166

newman314 4y ago

Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Network/dp/B09GPSMZ92/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B09GPSMZ92&psc=1 https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

Torifyme12 4y ago
Your infosec department doesn't know how to stage patches then and should be ashamed.
- sdoering 4y ago
  They should not be named "sec". It isn't security. It is compliance.
aimor 4y ago
I still can't believe they're able to disable "Hibernate", now "Sleep" is at risk? And of course with all the bloat booting takes forever.
alt227 4y ago
>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces so many support tickets by just actually having machines properly rebooted every night. Without this, people contact IT for glitches and bugs in their system, and when you look at the system uptime it is years!
- sovnade 4y ago
  Because I have visual studio open, a solution loaded and organized with all the files I need for this sprint, SSMS with the servers all connected that I need, all my tabs open to see my jira board, support tickets, etc, a notepad doc i was using to take notes on a phone call, my ssh key loaded into pageant, and if my computer reboots, i'm going to forget half of that when it starts back up and lose 30+ minutes trying to get set up again the next day. edit: i would legitimately quit a company that made me reboot every single night.

geraldwhen 4y ago

Our macs get admin. I sudo turn off the garbage and I haven’t been caught yet.

mrtranscendence 4y ago
I have admin on my work Mac, but I'm not sure how to turn off the garbage. It's pretty annoying and definitely cuts down on my battery life significantly. Between that and Teams being a battery hog I might only get three hours out of what should be a whole-day machine.