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I don't doubt those benefits are real, but I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with Intel 12th gen and integrated graphics, and it is actually fantastic. Su

by nwah1 4y ago

I don't doubt those benefits are real, but I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with Intel 12th gen and integrated graphics, and it is actually fantastic. Super thin, lightweight, silent, and low heat, while still boasting 12 extremely fast cores. And it was very affordable. It is very weird for me to buy a laptop where I have almost no complaints... and Samsung did a splendid job with all the fit and finish. I'm sure a lot of it is in fact thanks to the non-CPU upgrades like DDR5, since CPU is rarely the bottleneck, but it is all the same to me. This to me sounds like the experience people were praising the M1 chips for, and tbh Intel actually delivered for once. I say this as someone who had been solidly in the AMD camp for a long time. Thanks to competition, Intel now has to be good. Weird!

xuki 4y ago
How is the battery life? M1 laptops can easily last the whole day without plugging for most users.
- nwah1 4y ago
  I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.
  - jxi 4y ago
    That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.
    - bpodgursky 4y ago
      Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me. I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        I travel a lot. That’s going to be increasing by the end of the year as my wife and I live the digital nomad life flying across the US. The freedom of not having to worry about your battery life for a day of real world use is amazing. I’ve only had that over the years with an iPad before ARM Macs. Not to mention your laptop not getting hot enough to boil eggs or sounding like a 747 when you open too ,any Chrome tabs.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        The freedom of running Docker on a laptop without heating it to 60c is too tempting, unfortunately. My Macbook will get 2-3 hours of battery life over my Thinkpad, but my Thinkpad also doesn't burn my palms with regular use. It's a game of tradeoffs, but I rarely find myself reaching for the Macbook if I've got a desktop close by. Maybe that's a skewed perspective though. I have yet to try the Pro/Max chips seriously (or the mobile 12th gen chips, incidentally), but I don't really find myself pining for them either. If my laptop is too limiting, I hop on Tailscale and dev on my desktop.
        scarface74 4y ago
        What type of battery life are you getting on an Mx MacBook?
        intellirogue 4y ago
        I'm getting about 10 hours on my M1 16" MBP running a JetBrains IDE and 8 Docker containers.
        sudosysgen 4y ago
        FWIW I get about the same battery life on Linux with an AMD laptop. It's not as power efficient under load but not having to run a VM for docker helps a lot.
        Gene_Parmesan 4y ago
    - madjam002 4y ago
      I just got an M1 Pro 14” 10c 32GB RAM and while the battery life is great compared to anything else I’ve used, it’s not as amazing as I would have hoped. I get around 6 hours from 100% with a light Webpack dev workflow + Docker for Mac running in the background (arm64 postgres and redis containers). Is that normal? powermetrics shows package power bouncing around 500mW - 10 watts when compiling, which would suggest I should be getting a lot more battery life. Is there a utility to reliably check power consumption of the whole system? Stats.app seems to think my system idles around 5 watts and goes to 40 watts when compiling which is much higher than the package power and my screen is only 1/3 brightness.
    - lelanthran 4y ago
      > That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Not really. My M1, used for email, browsing, some xterms, some emacs, 3 or 4 video meetings and the Goland IDE, only gets about 5 hours. When new it was a little longer than that.
      - asdff 4y ago
        That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server).
        lelanthran 4y ago
        > That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server). My compute[1] is done locally only. My personal laptop is an HP Victus, it gets around 7 hours because I don't compute locally, which makes the M1 look okay in comparison. I always wonder about these people who claim the M1 can last a full day without needing to be charged - they can't be developing on the thing, can they? If they're not doing computations on the thing, then the battery life is quite similar to all other non-gaming laptops in that price range. [1] If by 'compute' you mean compiling code, running it, debugging it, etc
  - nominusllc 4y ago
    I can run 3 copies of eve online in full brightness and full quality graphics for 7 hours on the M1.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  The P-series CPU this article is advertising is not the one you want if you are concerned about battery life. The P CPUs consume as much energy as is practical, in their quest to go faster. These CPUs use 28-64W when active, while their slower U-series counterparts use 15-55W. There was a Dell laptop on Notebookcheck yesterday that had a measured 13-hour battery life and a U-series CPU. ETA: Comparable laptops reviewed by that site get 8hr runtime from a 71Wh battery and the P CPU, or 13 hours from a 60Wh battery and the U CPU.
innocenat 4y ago
Gen 12 machine with low heat is an exception rather than the norm sadly. It must be possible, since there are a few machine out there that manage to do it, but most machines right now are quite hot and has low battery life (compared to 11th gen), especially the P-series in thin-and-light form factor (I am writing this comment from Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 10 with 1280P, which can't even match the Cinebench score of the frame.work)

by nwah1 4y ago

xuki 4y ago

How is the battery life? M1 laptops can easily last the whole day without plugging for most users.

nwah1 4y ago
I am able to get 4 or 5 hours of intensive programming done on battery power... running multiple IDEs, Android emulators, browsers, etc. I've never tried it with a normal usage pattern because I only use battery power for working.
- jxi 4y ago
  That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me. I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      I travel a lot. That’s going to be increasing by the end of the year as my wife and I live the digital nomad life flying across the US. The freedom of not having to worry about your battery life for a day of real world use is amazing. I’ve only had that over the years with an iPad before ARM Macs. Not to mention your laptop not getting hot enough to boil eggs or sounding like a 747 when you open too ,any Chrome tabs.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        The freedom of running Docker on a laptop without heating it to 60c is too tempting, unfortunately. My Macbook will get 2-3 hours of battery life over my Thinkpad, but my Thinkpad also doesn't burn my palms with regular use. It's a game of tradeoffs, but I rarely find myself reaching for the Macbook if I've got a desktop close by. Maybe that's a skewed perspective though. I have yet to try the Pro/Max chips seriously (or the mobile 12th gen chips, incidentally), but I don't really find myself pining for them either. If my laptop is too limiting, I hop on Tailscale and dev on my desktop.
        scarface74 4y ago
        What type of battery life are you getting on an Mx MacBook?
        intellirogue 4y ago
        I'm getting about 10 hours on my M1 16" MBP running a JetBrains IDE and 8 Docker containers.
        sudosysgen 4y ago
        FWIW I get about the same battery life on Linux with an AMD laptop. It's not as power efficient under load but not having to run a VM for docker helps a lot.
        Gene_Parmesan 4y ago
  - madjam002 4y ago
    I just got an M1 Pro 14” 10c 32GB RAM and while the battery life is great compared to anything else I’ve used, it’s not as amazing as I would have hoped. I get around 6 hours from 100% with a light Webpack dev workflow + Docker for Mac running in the background (arm64 postgres and redis containers). Is that normal? powermetrics shows package power bouncing around 500mW - 10 watts when compiling, which would suggest I should be getting a lot more battery life. Is there a utility to reliably check power consumption of the whole system? Stats.app seems to think my system idles around 5 watts and goes to 40 watts when compiling which is much higher than the package power and my screen is only 1/3 brightness.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Not really. My M1, used for email, browsing, some xterms, some emacs, 3 or 4 video meetings and the Goland IDE, only gets about 5 hours. When new it was a little longer than that.
    - asdff 4y ago
      That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server).
      - lelanthran 4y ago
        > That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server). My compute[1] is done locally only. My personal laptop is an HP Victus, it gets around 7 hours because I don't compute locally, which makes the M1 look okay in comparison. I always wonder about these people who claim the M1 can last a full day without needing to be charged - they can't be developing on the thing, can they? If they're not doing computations on the thing, then the battery life is quite similar to all other non-gaming laptops in that price range. [1] If by 'compute' you mean compiling code, running it, debugging it, etc
- nominusllc 4y ago
  I can run 3 copies of eve online in full brightness and full quality graphics for 7 hours on the M1.
jeffbee 4y ago
The P-series CPU this article is advertising is not the one you want if you are concerned about battery life. The P CPUs consume as much energy as is practical, in their quest to go faster. These CPUs use 28-64W when active, while their slower U-series counterparts use 15-55W. There was a Dell laptop on Notebookcheck yesterday that had a measured 13-hour battery life and a U-series CPU. ETA: Comparable laptops reviewed by that site get 8hr runtime from a 71Wh battery and the P CPU, or 13 hours from a 60Wh battery and the U CPU.

innocenat 4y ago

Gen 12 machine with low heat is an exception rather than the norm sadly. It must be possible, since there are a few machine out there that manage to do it, but most machines right now are quite hot and has low battery life (compared to 11th gen), especially the P-series in thin-and-light form factor (I am writing this comment from Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 10 with 1280P, which can't even match the Cinebench score of the frame.work)