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>"While the role of the artist isn’t going away soon, the role of stock image sites might disappear. " Not, yet. While it's cheap relative to stock images, it'

>"While the role of the artist isn’t going away soon, the role of stock image sites might disappear. " Not, yet. While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want. Prices for stock images will collapse for the common quick to use images but the price for the specialized high end images will hold their value or even increase in value. Those historical and such images will continue to be valuable. It will be interesting to see if a specialized job will rise where people will get paid to generate just the right image. It might be called "A.I. image artist " This individual will generate an image with an A.I. but use graphic tools to finalize it for use.

andreyk 4y ago
Agreed - having played around with DALL-E 2 a fair bit and having made a lot of usage of stock images over the years (for blog posts with specific subjects), I would say the former takes more work/time than the latter. With stock images I can just do a quick search on Shutterstock and find a lot of high quality options (usually), whereas with DALL-E 2 I need to figure out the exact prompt I want and iterate on it for a while. Stock images are not that expensive -- if you buy many it's as low as $2 per image, or on the high end (if you pay to just download a few per month) it's more like $10 per image. It does cost more, but time is money, so...
- paulcole 4y ago
  Time is only money if you someone will pay you for your time. If that’s not true, then it’s just a good excuse to spend your money when you could (in some cases should) be spending your time.
  - andreyk 4y ago
    True - I guess I meant "time is money" in the broader sense really (ie I have other things I would prefer to spend my time doing, whether paid or not).
texaslonghorn5 4y ago
Would that be similar to a "prompt engineer" role?
- WheelsAtLarge 4y ago
  Help me out. What's a "prompt engineer?" It seems like a very good title for the way we will be using AIs in the future. Many of these AIs will need just the right prompt (question?) to get the info we need. I like the title.
  - greggh 4y ago
    People selling their prompts on PromptBase.com might think of themselves as prompt engineers...
    - personalidea 4y ago
      Make sure to check PromptOverflow.com if you get stuck.
  - dogecoinbase 4y ago
    $p$g
  - trention 4y ago
    It's basically a way in which already delusional people are further deluding themselves that writing a part of a sentence while interacting with a black box is engineering.
    - l33tman 4y ago
      Engineering is full of highly specialized disciplines. I met radio antenna engineers who only ever worked on one single piece of test equipment their entire working career and who used it to watch a signal bounce while they moved around pieces of copper tape on a PCB. That's literally all they did, and they didn't know what a spectrum analyzer or any other related tool was. You'll find these specialized positions working with AI as well soon. We can deride it from not being "traditional" engineering, but engineering as defined as "doing the best you can with tools you have", certainly allows for a prompt engineer to be defined..
Sebb767 4y ago
> It will be interesting to see if a specialized job will rise where people will get paid to generate just the right image. I don't think so. People just need the result, so the AI will simply become a tool of the trade and you won't have any more AI image engineers than you have dedicated Photoshop artists right now.
- smugma 4y ago
  I think the point of differentiation is that being adept at Photoshop is a relatively advanced and specialized skill. Manipulating an AI prompt to get what you want is also a specialized skill, but may require an order of magnitude or two less training, or obviate the need for the job entirely. An art director for a campaign wants a set of images created, and a set of stock photos used. They may have a junior person on their team create those images, each of which could take hours to create, or they can produce those images with an AI tool, which might take minutes. Or the director may simply use the tool themselves for a few minutes and then hand it off to someone else to clean up "in post".
  - deleted 4y ago
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flir 4y ago
Vocabularies are starting to appear. Something like a pattern language.
- themodelplumber 4y ago
  This means the result in the best-use case will be developing a suitable in-house pattern language. I'm sure Adobe's all over this since it's related to language arts and will be a more natural fit for the critical eye of a design & branding team. And probably still, downstream designers are going to be showing how they can convert DALL·E 2 imagery to polished finals. Especially after reviewing the blog post, it's really clear that if you want things to come together well for a refined corporate environment you'll need someone doing that. "I love the whale imagery, but I don't like the DALL·E 2 look, what can we do about the whale teeth" or whatever will definitely be a thing.
  - a9h74j 4y ago
    Not an artist, but (confirming against DeviantArt) with DALL-E etc it appears much lower cost to take bigger -- actually artistically more impressive -- risks. And dare I say more ego-less? One thing I have wondered: what will these generators do to the corporate art market -- art bought in bulk for a hospital or office space. Will interior design specialists pick up prompt generation as an added skill?
deltree7 4y ago
Also there is nothing preventing Stock Image Sites themselves using Dall-E to generate additional images. Heck they can use their own existing images for training (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) to increase the portfolio, but the Stock Image Sites can access free public images. So, counter-intuitively it may strengthen Stock Image Sites value
- ShamelessC 4y ago
  The training data for is partially made from Alamy , I think.
- trynewideas 4y ago
  Considering how DALL-E is fed with so many stock images that it sometimes spontaneously generates specific stock image websites' watermarks on output,[1] this is the stupidest, blandest possible ouroboros. [1] https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224 https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Meh it’s still original artwork. It’s derivative ha.
  - ShannonLimiter 4y ago
    Is this DALL-E? There’s no DALL-E signature on the image. The same prompt with DALL-E gives me proper silhouettes with no watermark.
    - texasbigdata 4y ago
      This is such a clever hack: “here, take this answer; it’s good the ‘AI’ generated it”, and if you can’t check like you did you might be able to spoof a self serving recommendation through simply because interprability of the inference is so difficult and reproducing might be costly.
    - pmx 4y ago
aantix 4y ago
Here's a vast catalog of Dall-E images and the prompts used to generate them. https://www.krea.ai/ https://www.krea.ai/ Oh, and if you generate an image with Dall-E and there's a face that is distorted, you can use this tool to restore the facial features. https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration
- bambax 4y ago
  > https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration Very interesting and promising, thanks! But I always get a 500 error when trying to upload an image... Were you able to make it work past the demo?
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > Here's a vast catalog of Dall-E images and the prompts used to generate them. https://www.krea.ai/ https://www.krea.ai/ What a weird decision to only display prompts in the page title, and nowhere else on the page
  - aantix 4y ago
    Agree, it makes discovery tedious.
pigtailgirl 4y ago
-- I agree with you - however it's not that time consuming to get what you want - it's pretty easy once you get used to DALL-E - so far there isn't anything I've not been able to get on a couple tries (granted after spending ~$30 learning the prompt system)- however once you're used to it - it's fairly easy - I agree that the market for very custom work will go through the roof - but "I need a burger" or "I need an American looking hot dog" eeeek!!! =) -- https://i.imgur.com/32Cq2M3.png https://i.imgur.com/32Cq2M3.png https://i.imgur.com/UAlAzfl.png https://i.imgur.com/UAlAzfl.png
zionic 4y ago
>Prices for stock horses will collapse for the common quick to use horses but the price for the specialized high end horses will hold their value or even increase in value. This was all true when cars became a thing. What’s the market cap of horse production companies before and after?
nutanc 4y ago
You are right. Humans will move on to building more high quality images. But for regular run of the mill stock images, AI is already there. I had done a small experiment to create stock images[1] [1] https://medium.com/ozonetel-ai/generating-a-landing-page-with-gpt-3-and-dall-e2-3a218cab114a https://medium.com/ozonetel-ai/generating-a-landing-page-wit...
mirekrusin 4y ago
AI DJ?
jstummbillig 4y ago
> While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want My dall-e experience is very limited but looking for the right photo out of many is a very time consuming process, at least at designer level.
hackernewds 4y ago
The #jobs decreasing is an existential threat to any sector
rkuykendall-com 4y ago
The future of jobs is Celery Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk
saghm 4y ago
OTOH, sometimes stock pictures made by humans aren't even that relevant if the entity using them is mostly just looking for filler: https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdwikihow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdwikihow/

andreyk 4y ago

Agreed - having played around with DALL-E 2 a fair bit and having made a lot of usage of stock images over the years (for blog posts with specific subjects), I would say the former takes more work/time than the latter. With stock images I can just do a quick search on Shutterstock and find a lot of high quality options (usually), whereas with DALL-E 2 I need to figure out the exact prompt I want and iterate on it for a while. Stock images are not that expensive -- if you buy many it's as low as $2 per image, or on the high end (if you pay to just download a few per month) it's more like $10 per image. It does cost more, but time is money, so...

paulcole 4y ago
Time is only money if you someone will pay you for your time. If that’s not true, then it’s just a good excuse to spend your money when you could (in some cases should) be spending your time.
- andreyk 4y ago
  True - I guess I meant "time is money" in the broader sense really (ie I have other things I would prefer to spend my time doing, whether paid or not).

texaslonghorn5 4y ago

Would that be similar to a "prompt engineer" role?

WheelsAtLarge 4y ago
Help me out. What's a "prompt engineer?" It seems like a very good title for the way we will be using AIs in the future. Many of these AIs will need just the right prompt (question?) to get the info we need. I like the title.
- greggh 4y ago
  People selling their prompts on PromptBase.com might think of themselves as prompt engineers...
  - personalidea 4y ago
    Make sure to check PromptOverflow.com if you get stuck.
- dogecoinbase 4y ago
  $p$g
- trention 4y ago
  It's basically a way in which already delusional people are further deluding themselves that writing a part of a sentence while interacting with a black box is engineering.
  - l33tman 4y ago
    Engineering is full of highly specialized disciplines. I met radio antenna engineers who only ever worked on one single piece of test equipment their entire working career and who used it to watch a signal bounce while they moved around pieces of copper tape on a PCB. That's literally all they did, and they didn't know what a spectrum analyzer or any other related tool was. You'll find these specialized positions working with AI as well soon. We can deride it from not being "traditional" engineering, but engineering as defined as "doing the best you can with tools you have", certainly allows for a prompt engineer to be defined..

Sebb767 4y ago

> It will be interesting to see if a specialized job will rise where people will get paid to generate just the right image. I don't think so. People just need the result, so the AI will simply become a tool of the trade and you won't have any more AI image engineers than you have dedicated Photoshop artists right now.

smugma 4y ago
I think the point of differentiation is that being adept at Photoshop is a relatively advanced and specialized skill. Manipulating an AI prompt to get what you want is also a specialized skill, but may require an order of magnitude or two less training, or obviate the need for the job entirely. An art director for a campaign wants a set of images created, and a set of stock photos used. They may have a junior person on their team create those images, each of which could take hours to create, or they can produce those images with an AI tool, which might take minutes. Or the director may simply use the tool themselves for a few minutes and then hand it off to someone else to clean up "in post".
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

flir 4y ago

Vocabularies are starting to appear. Something like a pattern language.

themodelplumber 4y ago
This means the result in the best-use case will be developing a suitable in-house pattern language. I'm sure Adobe's all over this since it's related to language arts and will be a more natural fit for the critical eye of a design & branding team. And probably still, downstream designers are going to be showing how they can convert DALL·E 2 imagery to polished finals. Especially after reviewing the blog post, it's really clear that if you want things to come together well for a refined corporate environment you'll need someone doing that. "I love the whale imagery, but I don't like the DALL·E 2 look, what can we do about the whale teeth" or whatever will definitely be a thing.
- a9h74j 4y ago
  Not an artist, but (confirming against DeviantArt) with DALL-E etc it appears much lower cost to take bigger -- actually artistically more impressive -- risks. And dare I say more ego-less? One thing I have wondered: what will these generators do to the corporate art market -- art bought in bulk for a hospital or office space. Will interior design specialists pick up prompt generation as an added skill?

deltree7 4y ago

Also there is nothing preventing Stock Image Sites themselves using Dall-E to generate additional images. Heck they can use their own existing images for training (which the other's can't due to copyright issues) to increase the portfolio, but the Stock Image Sites can access free public images. So, counter-intuitively it may strengthen Stock Image Sites value

ShamelessC 4y ago
The training data for is partially made from Alamy , I think.
trynewideas 4y ago
Considering how DALL-E is fed with so many stock images that it sometimes spontaneously generates specific stock image websites' watermarks on output,[1] this is the stupidest, blandest possible ouroboros. [1] https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224 https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/1551964984325812224
- bergenty 4y ago
  Meh it’s still original artwork. It’s derivative ha.
- ShannonLimiter 4y ago
  Is this DALL-E? There’s no DALL-E signature on the image. The same prompt with DALL-E gives me proper silhouettes with no watermark.
  - texasbigdata 4y ago
    This is such a clever hack: “here, take this answer; it’s good the ‘AI’ generated it”, and if you can’t check like you did you might be able to spoof a self serving recommendation through simply because interprability of the inference is so difficult and reproducing might be costly.
  - pmx 4y ago

aantix 4y ago

Here's a vast catalog of Dall-E images and the prompts used to generate them. https://www.krea.ai/ https://www.krea.ai/ Oh, and if you generate an image with Dall-E and there's a face that is distorted, you can use this tool to restore the facial features. https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration

bambax 4y ago
> https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration https://arc.tencent.com/en/ai-demos/faceRestoration Very interesting and promising, thanks! But I always get a 500 error when trying to upload an image... Were you able to make it work past the demo?
dmitriid 4y ago
> Here's a vast catalog of Dall-E images and the prompts used to generate them. https://www.krea.ai/ https://www.krea.ai/ What a weird decision to only display prompts in the page title, and nowhere else on the page
- aantix 4y ago
  Agree, it makes discovery tedious.

pigtailgirl 4y ago

-- I agree with you - however it's not that time consuming to get what you want - it's pretty easy once you get used to DALL-E - so far there isn't anything I've not been able to get on a couple tries (granted after spending ~$30 learning the prompt system)- however once you're used to it - it's fairly easy - I agree that the market for very custom work will go through the roof - but "I need a burger" or "I need an American looking hot dog" eeeek!!! =) -- https://i.imgur.com/32Cq2M3.png https://i.imgur.com/32Cq2M3.png https://i.imgur.com/UAlAzfl.png https://i.imgur.com/UAlAzfl.png

zionic 4y ago

>Prices for stock horses will collapse for the common quick to use horses but the price for the specialized high end horses will hold their value or even increase in value. This was all true when cars became a thing. What’s the market cap of horse production companies before and after?

nutanc 4y ago

You are right. Humans will move on to building more high quality images. But for regular run of the mill stock images, AI is already there. I had done a small experiment to create stock images[1] [1] https://medium.com/ozonetel-ai/generating-a-landing-page-with-gpt-3-and-dall-e2-3a218cab114a https://medium.com/ozonetel-ai/generating-a-landing-page-wit...

mirekrusin 4y ago

AI DJ?

jstummbillig 4y ago

> While it's cheap relative to stock images, it's time consuming to generate exactly what you want My dall-e experience is very limited but looking for the right photo out of many is a very time consuming process, at least at designer level.

hackernewds 4y ago

The #jobs decreasing is an existential threat to any sector

rkuykendall-com 4y ago

The future of jobs is Celery Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk

saghm 4y ago

OTOH, sometimes stock pictures made by humans aren't even that relevant if the entity using them is mostly just looking for filler: https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdwikihow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdwikihow/