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> As a result of today’s action, all property and interests in property of the entity above, Tornado Cash, that is in the United States or in the possession or

> As a result of today’s action, all property and interests in property of the entity above, Tornado Cash, that is in the United States or in the possession or control of U.S. persons is blocked and must be reported to OFAC. > In addition, any entities that are owned, directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by one or more blocked persons are also blocked. > All transactions by U.S. persons or within (or transiting) the United States that involve any property or interests in property of designated or otherwise blocked persons are prohibited unless authorized by a general or specific license issued by OFAC, or exempt. > These prohibitions include the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any blocked person and the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person. (Formatting added because I’m not a moron) Seems like you can continue using it if you’re not in the US, not transacting with someone that is and not with anyone on their sanctions list? Assuming the operators aren’t in USA and aren’t running transactions there. If this is a decentralized app, how is a miner supposed to avoid crunching these processing cycles? Not a lawyer

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> if you’re not in the US, not transacting with someone that is and not with anyone on their sanctions list? And not in a country that extradites to the U.S., or every planning on going through one. Or using U.S. dollars. Or the currencies of its allies. This is OFAC. Violating its sanctions is akin to doing business with North Korea or Iran. People do it. But you're going to have a different lifestyle.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  I didn’t see that. Could a Canadian continue to pay their Canadian neighbour for mowing their lawn through tornado or not?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Could a Canadian continue to pay their Canadian neighbour for mowing their lawn through tornado or not? They’d get arrested and lose all their money. So in practice, no.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      Under which term of the sanction?
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > which term of the sanction? What? These powers emanate from trading with the enemy and other wartime acts [1]. Violating sanctions can literally authorise U.S. military countermeasures. Tornado helped Pyongyang finance its missile programme. That’s the colour of law we’re discussing. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Foreign_Assets_Control https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Foreign_Assets_Con...
        Scoundreller 4y ago
        And I read their press release and quoted their entire "Sanction Implications" section, and it basically says you can't use Tornado if you're a US person or dealing with US assets and you can't use it if you're dealing with someone on OFAC's sanction list. Which seems to leave a lot of transactions, like a non-sanctioned non-American paying another non-sanctioned non-American for something with mixed crypto entirely off of US soil. The sanction doesn't appear to apply against that.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > a non-sanctioned non-American paying another non-sanctioned non-American for something with mixed crypto entirely off of US soil Sure. You will be a fugitive from American law for the rest of your life. But plenty of people make a living in that category.
        4y ago
- trustnull 4y ago
  > And not in a country that extradites to the U.S., or every planning on going through one. Or using U.S. dollars. Or the currencies of its allies. Only US persons faces criminal prosecution for sanction violations. Non-US persons face secondary sanctions which is still quite serious penalty.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > only US persons faces criminal prosecution for sanction violations Not true. Anyone in U.S. jurisdiction faces criminal prosecution. That's a far more expansive set than U.S. persons.
whoknew1122 4y ago
But Tornado is a mixer. If you're outside of the US, and your coin is co-mingled with US-based coin, you got an issue. Granted, that issue is with the US. So if your country won't play ball with the US, you should be fine. But if you're in pretty much any industrialized country, it's probably not worth the risk.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> if you’re not in the US, not transacting with someone that is and not with anyone on their sanctions list? And not in a country that extradites to the U.S., or every planning on going through one. Or using U.S. dollars. Or the currencies of its allies. This is OFAC. Violating its sanctions is akin to doing business with North Korea or Iran. People do it. But you're going to have a different lifestyle.

Scoundreller 4y ago
I didn’t see that. Could a Canadian continue to pay their Canadian neighbour for mowing their lawn through tornado or not?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Could a Canadian continue to pay their Canadian neighbour for mowing their lawn through tornado or not? They’d get arrested and lose all their money. So in practice, no.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Under which term of the sanction?
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > which term of the sanction? What? These powers emanate from trading with the enemy and other wartime acts [1]. Violating sanctions can literally authorise U.S. military countermeasures. Tornado helped Pyongyang finance its missile programme. That’s the colour of law we’re discussing. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Foreign_Assets_Control https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Foreign_Assets_Con...
      - Scoundreller 4y ago
        And I read their press release and quoted their entire "Sanction Implications" section, and it basically says you can't use Tornado if you're a US person or dealing with US assets and you can't use it if you're dealing with someone on OFAC's sanction list. Which seems to leave a lot of transactions, like a non-sanctioned non-American paying another non-sanctioned non-American for something with mixed crypto entirely off of US soil. The sanction doesn't appear to apply against that.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > a non-sanctioned non-American paying another non-sanctioned non-American for something with mixed crypto entirely off of US soil Sure. You will be a fugitive from American law for the rest of your life. But plenty of people make a living in that category.
        4y ago
trustnull 4y ago
> And not in a country that extradites to the U.S., or every planning on going through one. Or using U.S. dollars. Or the currencies of its allies. Only US persons faces criminal prosecution for sanction violations. Non-US persons face secondary sanctions which is still quite serious penalty.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > only US persons faces criminal prosecution for sanction violations Not true. Anyone in U.S. jurisdiction faces criminal prosecution. That's a far more expansive set than U.S. persons.

whoknew1122 4y ago

But Tornado is a mixer. If you're outside of the US, and your coin is co-mingled with US-based coin, you got an issue. Granted, that issue is with the US. So if your country won't play ball with the US, you should be fine. But if you're in pretty much any industrialized country, it's probably not worth the risk.