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Agreed, all of this "build from the ground up" post-apoc stuff is fantasy. It would be scavenge and cobble together. If there was time to do any of this, you'd

Agreed, all of this "build from the ground up" post-apoc stuff is fantasy. It would be scavenge and cobble together. If there was time to do any of this, you'd be trading a bit of your clan's goods for a disk with some rare library on it for calculating dates and times based on the planets and stars. I think that scavenging old libraries and installers is going to become more of a thing as they disappear from the internet over time anyway.

WalterBright 4y ago
I was going to throw my old encyclopedias away, but then there came this wave of increasing attempts to edit articles on wikipedia to: 1. rewrite history through the lens of a political point of view 2. conduct disinformation campaigns 3. create hoaxes for personal amusement 4. conduct marketing campaigns 5. clean up reputations 6. redefine words to justify past lying I decided to keep the paper ones for the time being.
- pvg 4y ago
  Those things are in your paper encyclopedia too, they just won't ever be fixed.
  - lliamander 4y ago
    Over time, the drift between the past print encyclopedias and present digital ones will itself be informative.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      Reading my 100 year old encyclopedia is certainly informative from a social perspective. Anyone not white was considered fairly subhuman at the time, and I know that, but reading how casually that all is presented as fact in an encyclopedia is mildly disturbing.
      - pvg 4y ago
        White Europeans and Americans had a whole spectrum of terrible ideas about race 100 years ago but 'everyone not white was considered subhuman' overstates the case by a lot.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        Expect facts from an encyclopedia, not opinions and judgments.
      - lliamander 4y ago
        If your only takeaway is how wrong the past was compared to the present (and no doubt in many ways they were) you're not really reading history.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    The same medium that makes it hard to fix mistakes makes it hard to commit that many mistakes to begin with. And paper is distributed, hard to counterfeit and long-lasting in ways we haven't figured out how to replicate in electrons yet.
    - SQueeeeeL 4y ago
      It's actually extremely easy to distribute something signed so that you're sure it's "authentic", at least that no bits are wrong. Assuming that somewhere in the chain, there exists trust. But it's the same with books, you have no way to know a book is authentic without buying it from a valid store
      - lliamander 4y ago
        True, though the process of establishing the trust and authenticity around digitally signed artifacts is not as widely established or disseminated as it is with print media. Also, establishing what a signature means often requires out-of-band information. I really like the concept of annotations for a signature that would communicate the signer's relationship to the work: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
- CoffeeCollector 4y ago
  Pretty sad that you of all people are getting downvoted for telling the truth.

WalterBright 4y ago

I was going to throw my old encyclopedias away, but then there came this wave of increasing attempts to edit articles on wikipedia to: 1. rewrite history through the lens of a political point of view 2. conduct disinformation campaigns 3. create hoaxes for personal amusement 4. conduct marketing campaigns 5. clean up reputations 6. redefine words to justify past lying I decided to keep the paper ones for the time being.

pvg 4y ago
Those things are in your paper encyclopedia too, they just won't ever be fixed.
- lliamander 4y ago
  Over time, the drift between the past print encyclopedias and present digital ones will itself be informative.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Reading my 100 year old encyclopedia is certainly informative from a social perspective. Anyone not white was considered fairly subhuman at the time, and I know that, but reading how casually that all is presented as fact in an encyclopedia is mildly disturbing.
    - pvg 4y ago
      White Europeans and Americans had a whole spectrum of terrible ideas about race 100 years ago but 'everyone not white was considered subhuman' overstates the case by a lot.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Expect facts from an encyclopedia, not opinions and judgments.
    - lliamander 4y ago
      If your only takeaway is how wrong the past was compared to the present (and no doubt in many ways they were) you're not really reading history.
- Banana699 4y ago
  The same medium that makes it hard to fix mistakes makes it hard to commit that many mistakes to begin with. And paper is distributed, hard to counterfeit and long-lasting in ways we haven't figured out how to replicate in electrons yet.
  - SQueeeeeL 4y ago
    It's actually extremely easy to distribute something signed so that you're sure it's "authentic", at least that no bits are wrong. Assuming that somewhere in the chain, there exists trust. But it's the same with books, you have no way to know a book is authentic without buying it from a valid store
    - lliamander 4y ago
      True, though the process of establishing the trust and authenticity around digitally signed artifacts is not as widely established or disseminated as it is with print media. Also, establishing what a signature means often requires out-of-band information. I really like the concept of annotations for a signature that would communicate the signer's relationship to the work: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
CoffeeCollector 4y ago
Pretty sad that you of all people are getting downvoted for telling the truth.