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Seo is a fair play and I don't see why we are so quick to blame young people. It is Google that should be blamed for making themselves more important than they

Seo is a fair play and I don't see why we are so quick to blame young people. It is Google that should be blamed for making themselves more important than they deserve to be.

josephcsible 4y ago
Making up lies about yourself to make yourself look better than you really are is "fair play"?
- tresqotheq 4y ago
  Yes, it is called "Marketing". And the world runs on it.
  - worthless-trash 4y ago
    There is a difference between marketing and lying yo. The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes for your moral character.
    - tresqotheq 4y ago
      >There is a difference between marketing and lying yo In a perfect world, there should be. But sadly we don't live in that world. > The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes for your moral character. I seem to have hit a nerve there. Sorry if I ruined your day or something..
Mo3 4y ago
This is not SEO, it’s fraud and deception.
- NoSorryCannot 4y ago
  A lot of what is labeled and sold as "SEO" might as well be diet fraud. Plagiarism, false advertising, astroturfing, etc. It certainly isn't just letting the Google bot know what your website is about.
  - tyingq 4y ago
    I agree, though I think it's fair play to try and do things that the Google algorithm likes...but are not directly related to quality. Say somewhere in the bowels of their ML pipelines, features that get scored include things like "has a favicon.ico and it's unique and not seen elsewhere". Well, then doing that isn't really fraud to me. It's just adding "proxies for quality" so you aren't dinged for not having them.
- cubancigar11 4y ago
  Ummm, this is SEO? Because it is a hack from google's algo? This is exactly my problem with the "hackers" here and the article's author - conflating the action with content. He finds an unscroupolous usage of that hack and generalizes without any effort that all of it is fraud. It is not okay to glide over the 'young people' part and generally not being empathetic to those trying to beat the market. If it is fraud, which is a crime, are you suggesting these people should be sent to jail? Because if not then you shouldn't use the that word. Words have meaning.
  - theamk 4y ago
    I would love to have a way to punish people for submitting knownlingly bad information to publicly editable databases like IMDB (note I don't care about Google, it is IMDB that should be protected) Jail is too much, but it woukd be nice to have a fine of some sort, because "poisining the well" for everyone is really not cool. (in practice any such system would be abused a lot, so we are probably better off with status quo.. but in the ideal world we'd punish those people)
    - cubancigar11 4y ago
      Right. We can achieve heaven if we just punish every sin. Not trusting almighty Google's algorithm is just too much sacrifice the good people are making. Promoting publicly editable database as authoritative is high bar we must achieve at the cost of just banning juvenile behavior.
      - theamk 4y ago
        No, "we can reduce reduce bad behavior if we punish for it". This stuff actually works -- if we don't punishing bad behavior, we get more and more of it over time (which is kinda what happened with internet) I am not sure why you keep bringing up Google here -- no one cares about it, it is megacorp and it can take care of itself. We want to protect entities like IMDB and Wikipedia. It does not matter why it was vandalized (and that's what happened here) -- to fool Google, or to impress friends, or to get to backstage -- it was bad, and it should not be encouraged. And finally, learning that actions have responsibilities is an important part of the growing up. I certainly got some parking tickets when I was younger and it taught me an important lesson. (Of course the punishment should not be excessive, nothing that stays on your record for the whole life).

Seo is a fair play and I don't see why we are so quick to blame young people. It is Google that should be blamed for making themselves more important than they deserve to be.

josephcsible 4y ago

Making up lies about yourself to make yourself look better than you really are is "fair play"?

tresqotheq 4y ago
Yes, it is called "Marketing". And the world runs on it.
- worthless-trash 4y ago
  There is a difference between marketing and lying yo. The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes for your moral character.
  - tresqotheq 4y ago
    >There is a difference between marketing and lying yo In a perfect world, there should be. But sadly we don't live in that world. > The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes for your moral character. I seem to have hit a nerve there. Sorry if I ruined your day or something..

Mo3 4y ago

This is not SEO, it’s fraud and deception.

NoSorryCannot 4y ago
A lot of what is labeled and sold as "SEO" might as well be diet fraud. Plagiarism, false advertising, astroturfing, etc. It certainly isn't just letting the Google bot know what your website is about.
- tyingq 4y ago
  I agree, though I think it's fair play to try and do things that the Google algorithm likes...but are not directly related to quality. Say somewhere in the bowels of their ML pipelines, features that get scored include things like "has a favicon.ico and it's unique and not seen elsewhere". Well, then doing that isn't really fraud to me. It's just adding "proxies for quality" so you aren't dinged for not having them.
cubancigar11 4y ago
Ummm, this is SEO? Because it is a hack from google's algo? This is exactly my problem with the "hackers" here and the article's author - conflating the action with content. He finds an unscroupolous usage of that hack and generalizes without any effort that all of it is fraud. It is not okay to glide over the 'young people' part and generally not being empathetic to those trying to beat the market. If it is fraud, which is a crime, are you suggesting these people should be sent to jail? Because if not then you shouldn't use the that word. Words have meaning.
- theamk 4y ago
  I would love to have a way to punish people for submitting knownlingly bad information to publicly editable databases like IMDB (note I don't care about Google, it is IMDB that should be protected) Jail is too much, but it woukd be nice to have a fine of some sort, because "poisining the well" for everyone is really not cool. (in practice any such system would be abused a lot, so we are probably better off with status quo.. but in the ideal world we'd punish those people)
  - cubancigar11 4y ago
    Right. We can achieve heaven if we just punish every sin. Not trusting almighty Google's algorithm is just too much sacrifice the good people are making. Promoting publicly editable database as authoritative is high bar we must achieve at the cost of just banning juvenile behavior.
    - theamk 4y ago
      No, "we can reduce reduce bad behavior if we punish for it". This stuff actually works -- if we don't punishing bad behavior, we get more and more of it over time (which is kinda what happened with internet) I am not sure why you keep bringing up Google here -- no one cares about it, it is megacorp and it can take care of itself. We want to protect entities like IMDB and Wikipedia. It does not matter why it was vandalized (and that's what happened here) -- to fool Google, or to impress friends, or to get to backstage -- it was bad, and it should not be encouraged. And finally, learning that actions have responsibilities is an important part of the growing up. I certainly got some parking tickets when I was younger and it taught me an important lesson. (Of course the punishment should not be excessive, nothing that stays on your record for the whole life).