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>"Instead of putting the blame on e-bikes, blame your local city government for not providing the right infrastructure for bikers in general, because they shoul

>"Instead of putting the blame on e-bikes, blame your local city government for not providing the right infrastructure for bikers in general, because they should not travel on the same "road" as pedestrians." I don't buy that at all. New York City has substantial bike infrastructure and all of that egregious and law-breaking behavior is still rampant. I would even say the level of disregard couldn't be more flagrant. You can see ebike riders riding on the sidewalk right next to the protected bike line or see them riding in the dedicated red bus lane when the protected green bike lane is clearly visible on the same street and has cyclists visibly using it. Despite having protected lanes that follow the direction of traffic, ebikes will go the wrong way down that bike lane. They regularly leave the protected bike lane to go ride out in the middle of traffic and almost never stop at traffic lights and weave through pedestrians using the cross walk.

sleepybrett 4y ago
I live in seattle, we have .. some bike infrastructure but much of it is less than ideal (unseperated bike lanes, 'greenways' normal roads that are promoted for bicycle use which can be ok, but i often get aggressive drivers pissed that i'm using the greenway), Every time there is a bike lane and a sidewalk and I choose the side walk it comes down to either: 1) the bike lane isn't actively safe at all, too narrow, un-protected from heavy car traffic or torn to shit or 2) there is some asshole or assholes parked/double-parked in it. I'd love not to be on the sidewalk, it tends to slow me way down (pedestrians that I don't want to hit).
crote 4y ago
From what I can tell, NYC bike infrastructure is still in its infancy. While it seems to be doing a decent-ish job adding bike lanes, building actual _bike infrastructure_ has yet to begin. Streets are designed car-first, with a bike lane added as afterthought. Good cycling infrastructure requires completely separate "cycling highways", a radical intersection redesign, and actually creating areas where cars are second-rate citizens - if at all present. I am simply not seeing that in NYC yet.
- bogomipz 4y ago
  In its infancy? NYC's bike infrastructure has been a first class consideration for 15 years, ever since Mayor Bloomberg appointed Janette Sadik-Khan Commissioner of Department of Transportation. And every year more gets done. But please walk me through your logic though - cyclists don't use the existing infrastructure that the city built them because it doesn't yet rise to some level of what is deemed necessary? Is that it? Does that make any sense? What does "_bike infrastructure_" even mean? Is that made up punctuation supposed to imply some meaning? >"Good cycling infrastructure requires completely separate "cycling highways", a radical intersection redesign, and actually creating areas where cars are second-rate citizens - if at all present. I am simply not seeing that in NYC yet." I guess you haven't seen the "cycling highway" that parallels the actual West Side Highway? It's called the Hudson River Greenway and it's 11 miles of protected(concrete bollards) and dedicated cycling lanes. How about the dedicated Brooklyn Bridge bike lane. [1] Or the new secure bike storage pods they already started rolling out?[2] I guess you just haven't seen any of these yet? And for areas where are cars are second rate citizens I guess you haven't seen The Flatiron or the stretch of Broadway between Madison Sq Park and 30th Street or Herald Square or Broadway between 14th and the Flatiron? The Meatpacking District? All of these are car-free designated pedestrian zones. [1] https://gothamist.com/news/new-brooklyn-bridge-bike-lane-immediate-hit-among-cyclists-data-shows https://gothamist.com/news/new-brooklyn-bridge-bike-lane-imm... [2] https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/awesome-bike-parking-pods-are-popping-up-all-over-nyc-031622 https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/awesome-bike-parking-po...

sleepybrett 4y ago

I live in seattle, we have .. some bike infrastructure but much of it is less than ideal (unseperated bike lanes, 'greenways' normal roads that are promoted for bicycle use which can be ok, but i often get aggressive drivers pissed that i'm using the greenway), Every time there is a bike lane and a sidewalk and I choose the side walk it comes down to either: 1) the bike lane isn't actively safe at all, too narrow, un-protected from heavy car traffic or torn to shit or 2) there is some asshole or assholes parked/double-parked in it. I'd love not to be on the sidewalk, it tends to slow me way down (pedestrians that I don't want to hit).

crote 4y ago

From what I can tell, NYC bike infrastructure is still in its infancy. While it seems to be doing a decent-ish job adding bike lanes, building actual _bike infrastructure_ has yet to begin. Streets are designed car-first, with a bike lane added as afterthought. Good cycling infrastructure requires completely separate "cycling highways", a radical intersection redesign, and actually creating areas where cars are second-rate citizens - if at all present. I am simply not seeing that in NYC yet.

bogomipz 4y ago
In its infancy? NYC's bike infrastructure has been a first class consideration for 15 years, ever since Mayor Bloomberg appointed Janette Sadik-Khan Commissioner of Department of Transportation. And every year more gets done. But please walk me through your logic though - cyclists don't use the existing infrastructure that the city built them because it doesn't yet rise to some level of what is deemed necessary? Is that it? Does that make any sense? What does "_bike infrastructure_" even mean? Is that made up punctuation supposed to imply some meaning? >"Good cycling infrastructure requires completely separate "cycling highways", a radical intersection redesign, and actually creating areas where cars are second-rate citizens - if at all present. I am simply not seeing that in NYC yet." I guess you haven't seen the "cycling highway" that parallels the actual West Side Highway? It's called the Hudson River Greenway and it's 11 miles of protected(concrete bollards) and dedicated cycling lanes. How about the dedicated Brooklyn Bridge bike lane. [1] Or the new secure bike storage pods they already started rolling out?[2] I guess you just haven't seen any of these yet? And for areas where are cars are second rate citizens I guess you haven't seen The Flatiron or the stretch of Broadway between Madison Sq Park and 30th Street or Herald Square or Broadway between 14th and the Flatiron? The Meatpacking District? All of these are car-free designated pedestrian zones. [1] https://gothamist.com/news/new-brooklyn-bridge-bike-lane-immediate-hit-among-cyclists-data-shows https://gothamist.com/news/new-brooklyn-bridge-bike-lane-imm... [2] https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/awesome-bike-parking-pods-are-popping-up-all-over-nyc-031622 https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/awesome-bike-parking-po...