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The Scottish Highlands, Appalachians, and the Atlas are the same mountain range
- pyinstallwoes 4y agoKinda interesting in consideration of Plato's Myth of Atlantis. Atlas mountains, Atlantic Ocean... mud and all that. Maybe Atlantis was America or Cuba :P.
- labster 4y agoAtlantis is obviously Aztlán.
- irrational 4y agoExcept, they eroded away long before there were any people.
- politelemon 4y agoShouldn't the line in the UK be further north, closer to the Iapetus Suture? IIRC that's the collision of northern and southern parts of Great Britain, and the geological differences translated to modern cultural differences, and consequentially the Scottish-English border is roughly close to it too. The wikipedia page also mentions the Caledonian orogeny. > The Caledonian orogeny united the northern and southern portions of present-day Great Britain. The Iapetus Suture runs from the Solway Firth to Lindisfarne. The Anglo-Scottish border runs near and roughly parallel to the suture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_Suture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus_Suture
- zhte415 4y agoI assume the map was for illustrative purposes, as the landmasses depicted in it have decidly modern shapes.
- denton-scratch 4y agoYup. Surely the English Channel shouldn't be there.
- leishman 4y agoVery cool given that Appalachian settlers were largely Scottish highlanders.
- irrational 4y agoJust moving to the other side of the mountain range.
- tssva 4y agoScottish highlander immigrants were not large settlers of Appalachia. Scottish highlander immigrants largely settled in northern New York and coastal areas in southern colonies. The Cape Fear, NC area was a significant area of Scottish highlander settlement. Appalachia was settled largely by the Scots-Irish. The Scots-Irish immigrated from the Ulster area of Ireland where they were known as the Ulster Protestants. The Ulster Protestants originally immigrated to Ulster area through a mixture of voluntary and forced relocation from the Scottish lowlands and northern England.
- jonnycomputer 4y agoThank you for this, as I always had assumed that Scots-Irish just meant settled by a mixture of Scots and Irish, not the Ulster Scots.
- chrisdhoover 4y agoSettlers to Southern Appalachia were from the English - Scottish borderlands. Lands that were historically contested. “Albion’s Seed” is an excellent book describing the migrations from the British Isle to America
- User23 4y agoThe Bastle houses[1] are really interesting. Shows what a vibrant time and place that was. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastle_house https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastle_house
- pluc 4y ago
- Tsiklon 4y agoFrom a human perspective, that settlers from one part of the range found a home in another part of the same range is interesting - the heavy Irish and Scottish settlement in Appalachia, taking language and music with them.
- wyager 4y agoAnd politics.
- dnissley 4y agoTruly fascinating account of this: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-seed/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/book-review-albions-se...
- darkteflon 4y agoThis was a great rec, thanks. Really enjoyed it.
- wyclif 4y agoAlbion's Seed is an incredible book; I recommend it to everybody.
- deepdriver 4y ago>But by 1750, the Quakers were kind of on their way out; by 1750, they were a demographic minority in Pennsylvania, and by 1773 they were a minority in its legislature as well. [...] What happened? The Quakers basically tolerated themselves out of existence. They were so welcoming to religious minorities and immigrants that all these groups took up shop in Pennsylvania and ended its status as a uniquely Quaker society. Fascinating.
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoBeing less than 50% of the lawmakers in a society as active followers of your regilion seems quite far from non-existance. By that metric, Catholics, Jews, Athiests and African-Americans don't exist, and have never existed, and probably will never exist in the USA (they didn't and don't even exist when grouped together as "non-protestants"). Back to Quakers, shortly fter they "tolerated themselves out of exisitence" in Pennsylvania, they manage to have input into the Constitution of the newly formed US so punching above their weight for people who didn't exist.
- hprotagonist 4y agoand they are ooooold. Older-than-trees old.
- h2odragon 4y agoand separated for much of that time. at some point the unique life experience of each side of the range renders them individual; it might be more proper to say they're descendants of the single original range. On the other hand if we could convince them to get back together the shipping costs to Europe would plummet and that would be good for the economy.
- tjr225 4y agoAren’t most mountains older than trees? Maybe even all of them?
- macintux 4y agoI have a strong recollection that part of the Appalachians are stuck in South America, but I'm not finding much information online. Here's one very old article discussing some research into it. http://www.kencroswell.com/SouthAmericanAppalachians.html http://www.kencroswell.com/SouthAmericanAppalachians.html
- mrlonglong 4y agoOuch, there's an error in the article. Ouachita are not part of the same range, as that's inland. A poster on the site already pointed that out.
- adolph 4y agoIt is called out separately from the Appalachians. Wikipedia cites this article, which is terse enough to not be convincing to my lay eyes. https://archives.datapages.com/data/sepm_sp/SP22/Sedimentary_and_Tectonic_History.htm https://archives.datapages.com/data/sepm_sp/SP22/Sedimentary... This book chapter cites the above and has a picture explanation: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=DyF3BQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA371&ots=qQxPX78Hta&sig=vS-295osI-KbspoZgBKUdPGxS3g#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=DyF3BQAAQBAJ&oi=...
- mkl 4y agoAlso it's Laurasia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurasia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurasia), not Laurussia.
- mkl 4y agoFrom https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/46485/ouachita-mountains-oklahoma https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/46485/ouachita-moun...: > Starting around 340 million years ago, a tectonic plate that had previously been attached to Africa and South America collided with the North American plate. The process helped form the supercontinent of Pangaea, and it thrust the ancient sea floor skyward. The similarities between rock layers of the Ouachita Mountains and the Appalachian Mountains indicate that they were part of a massive mountain chain formed by this collision. Once elevated, the mountains soon commenced eroding. > About 200 million years ago, Pangaea began to break apart. The breakup wrenched apart the supersized mountain range, leaving a wide swath of low-lying land between the Ouachita Mountains in the west and the Appalachian Mountains in the east. Low-profile land persists today across much of the southeastern United States.
- adolph 4y agoIt is odd/amazing that the Ouachita mountains are included in the "Central Pangean Mountains" given how far west they are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_Mountains https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_Mountains
- muststopmyths 4y agocomment on the blog says they should not be. It's by Bob Costas but surprisingly missing a half hour preamble of fluff about the early life and struggle of that little hill before it became a mountain range.
- Karellen 4y agoSee also Tom Scott's "The 400,000,000-Year Link Between Scotland and Canada" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKwRou6HUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKwRou6HUw
- gerdesj 4y agoWhen you allow your gaze to traverse the whole of time then you can come up with some proper wankery. As soon as you use the term Scottish with regards Permian ... I'm out.
- wdb 4y agoCool, didn’t know my watch is named after a mountain range. Going to read up about it
- nkrisc 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology)
- alephxyz 4y agoTitle is a bit misleading. The "little" Atlas near the Atlantic coast isn't usually considered part of the Atlas mountains and is usually called the anti-atlas. The "real" Atlas range is much (much) younger.
- dredmorbius 4y agoThe ancient forests and swamps that bordered this mountain range form the coal deposits which range from the US Appalachian region to Wales and Scotland, to northern Spain, through France, Germany, and Silesia. These would, some time later, become the regions which lead the steam-powered Industrial Revolution. I'd first learned this fact some years ago reading Matthias Weissenbacher's Sources of Power. https://www.worldcat.org/title/sources-of-power-how-energy-forges-human-history/oclc/416715097 https://www.worldcat.org/title/sources-of-power-how-energy-f... Other than China, Australia, and South Africa, this represents a huge portion of the planet's coal reserves.
- milleramp 4y agoAnd yet the whiskey is so different, obviously Bourbon is far superior, with its sweet oaky flavor. The south iterated and improved the idea. :)
- smcl 4y agoHa I wonder who will take that bait :-D I love both Bourbon and Scotch[0], but despite similarities in their ingredients they’re distinct enough in flavour enough that I don’t think a direct comparison is possible or makes sense. It’s weird that this largely comes from a couple of differences (using new vs used oak barrels, and climate where the whisk[e]y is aging). I will grant that Bourbon is a bit more versatile though - there’s a lot of wonderful cocktails that it really works well in, I’ve yet to see a scotch cocktail I like! [0] - and American Single Malt, and Rye and Corn Whiskey
- denton-scratch 4y ago> I don’t think a direct comparison is possible or makes sense I agree. > I’ve yet to see a scotch cocktail I like! I don't think scotch is for cocktails, although I sometimes have a scotch with ginger ale, and I often take my scotch with a wee splash of water.
- smcl 4y agoThere are some (Penicillin and the Rob Roy off the top of my head) but I don't like them. But yeah good point re ginger beer and lime - that can be quite refreshing. I'm quite content with drinking Scotch neat though.
- ben_w 4y agoI’m now imagining a sketch of British/American misunderstanding is similar to the Two Ronnies’ “Four candles”: “I would like some biscuits and gravy.” “Biscuits? And gravy? What do you mean, like bourbon?” “Why would I put bourbon on my biscuits?” “Bourbon biscuits” “No, gravy biscuits” “Gravy biscuits? So, like oxo cubes?” And so on. For the confused: https://external-preview.redd.it/4_BpYSWJqOGo2R_SKAq9o8VVlecQZe40_ajCy-dwShE.png?auto=webp&s=bac9acf4a76214ef41f10c5c862b9de060c6e191 https://external-preview.redd.it/4_BpYSWJqOGo2R_SKAq9o8VVlec... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuits_and_gravy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuits_and_gravy
- throwaway290 4y agoSee also Map Men (with Jay Foreman), who cover the Scottish-English border in an entertaining manner: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqZYsckBwI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqZYsckBwI