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Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit. Altough 0,5g has me tripping so I rarely dose above 100 milligrams. Get up early, do a workout, tak

Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit. Altough 0,5g has me tripping so I rarely dose above 100 milligrams. Get up early, do a workout, take cold shower, meditate and then pop a microdose shrooms, feels great. Microdosing is like steroids for meditation. Especially helpful for the programmer logic types of people like me, gets you out of your head for some time and helps you connect with your emotions and body.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
Yeah, drugs feel great, news at 11. If psychiatry was just a matter of giving people a constant buzz, it would be solved a century ago. I'm not judging you for wanting to be high all the time, I've been there myself. But be intellectually honest and call it that, at least. Because it's not some kind of psychological panacea, and I wish people would stop implying it is. And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead.
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  Uh, so you took a break from your ADHD medication to microdose? And you claim it is the microdose that made you less productive? I posit you need to take a microdose with your normal ADHD medication, otherwise the anecdote is meaningless even as a personal reference.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
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  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    No, I wasn't on medication at the time, couldn't get a script. I was looking for possible replacements, and a few psychedelics(LSD and 2C-B to name a couple) have psychostimulant properties. The idea was to try a few different regimens: True microdose alone: no noticable effect on concentration, and some worsening. Subpsychedelic yet strong enough doses to have stimulant effects: significant effect, but working memory was somewhat impaired. Impulsivity also increased. Various conventional but obscure RC stimulants: some were highly effective, even more so than D-amp or mph. But it wasn't possible to rule out long term cardiotoxic effects like valvulopathy, so I didn't stick to them for safety reasons. Then I did some limited trials with said stims + a true microcode, this just made me extremely scatterbrained and I quickly discontinued. Eventually I decided even if I found something, which I had, I couldn't safely use it long term anyway. I cleaned up my act long enough to get real meds.
- EmilyHughes 4y ago
  Trust me I tried all kinds of drugs and psychedelics are not the kind that get you hooked. Stimulants are especially addictive in my opinion. Psychs are the kind of drugs you say I have enough for a while if you overdo. On top of it they build tolerance immediately.
  - dtx1 4y ago
    Can confirm, especially mushrooms. I had one trip on them and what my main take away was: It's exhausting to trip on mushrooms and after 4-5 hours I wanted to be sober again. I'll probably do it again in a few month but for me it's a whole-weekend kind of deal and hardly a party drug
    - EmilyHughes 4y ago
      It can be a "party drug" if you dose low, especially if you are chilling at a bar with friends. Just pushes you into a slightly better mood. I'll rather have a microdose with some beers than getting shitfaced drunk, feels subjectively healthier to me.
      - Thiez 4y ago
        Of course you could also just stop drinking after a few beers without taking additional drugs.
        EmilyHughes 4y ago
        easier said than done. But you are right of course, that's where you want to go.
        eurasiantiger 4y ago
        Of course, a few beers are much worse for you than a microdose of shrooms, so why choose the former?
    - fernandotakai 4y ago
      my main issue with mushrooms is how nauseous i get -- also, i lose all my appetite for at least 12h (last time, it took 24h for me to be actually hungry again).
- henriquemaia 4y ago
  That's an uncharitable reading. OP is just sharing what works with her/him. Which is ok. From what I understood from your comment, for you it doesn't. Which is ok too, as now you know yourself a bit better. Two personal experiments with very different outcomes. There's no need for moral judgments either way.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    I'm not saying her experience is invalid. If it works for her, great. But there is this tendency of microdosing proponents to oversell what is effectively a high(nothing wrong with that, I love getting high) as some sort of profound self-help tool. It's a high. That's fine. Getting high can have positive effects too. Call it that, though.
    - davidgrenier 4y ago
      The paper stated James Fadiman as the source for the characterization of a microdose, it however failed to properly convey his point of view. I've heard James Fadiman reporting twice that it is 10% of a recreational (1-3g) or therapeutic dose (3.0-3.5g), but certainly not 10% of a heroic dose. This study went with 0.5g which is 10% of what's considered a heroic dose. The effective dose is considered to be 6mg if psilocybin or 0.6g of dried magic mushroom, thus the amount given in the study is very close to being detectable (and incidently was in most of the cases) which I don't think you can charaterize as a microdose. James Fadiman expressly stated a microdose would be a dose that you couldn't detect and would forget you had taken while going on about your day. If one is taking 0.2-0.3g of dried magic mushroom this would be, without question, not getting high.
      - EmilyHughes 4y ago
        depends on your individual sensitivity to psychedelics, 0.2 would be too much for me to go into work, no visuals but a head trip. I also know plenty of people who can take 0.5 and don't feel much.
      - nick__m 4y ago
- nicoburns 4y ago
  I get what you’re saying, but I think the GP may see being less productive as a positive thing (productivity not being a universal value)
- pengaru 4y ago
  > And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead. If it made you high, you didn't microdose.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    With even lower dose, no effect was present. See my response to one of the other replies.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  > And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead. I had some coworkers try microdosing several years ago. They were convinced that they were smarter and more productive on those days. Meanwhile, the rest of us could clearly see that they were just operating slower than normal and had a weirdly positive response to even slight achievements. Eventually the illusion was shattered when the rest of us would casually guess when they were microdosing and call them out because they were making obvious mistakes, missing things, or being amazed at benign realizations. And before anyone asks: Yes, they tried many different doses down to minuscule amounts. In retrospect, this is actually the least surprising result: That taking a micro-dose of a psychedelic produces a micro-trip.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    Yeah not sure what the source of this homeopathic type logic is. It's very strange, and applies to basically nothing else. So I'd like some pretty extraordinary evidence before I believe that taking deliberately ineffective doses of anything has any effect. And, good luck producing a dose-response curve...
  - hinkley 4y ago
    I have often wondered this about people doing the napping versus sleeping experiment. Euphoria makes you feel like you know so much more than you do. I know of maybe one or two people who gave themselves cognitive tests during their experience. I don't recall the results but I clearly didn't take them seriously since I'm still unconvinced. I don't know about you guys but I tend to do better if I'm given the same kind of test three or four times. So if I were doing this experiment and my results stayed steady, I'd objectively be losing capacity versus the control.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
      There's studies on "brain training" apps like Lumosity that tend to show that all you're improving at is the specific test, not the underlying mental capacity like working memory. And a related anecdote: I once asked my psychologist to do an IQ test on me, mainly out of curiosity. She refused, basically giving the logic you did. We have no reason to believe your IQ is low, or even average, and if we did do a test, and at some future point we needed a test for actual diagnostic purposes(say if I had a stroke or something), it could taint the result. So I'd say you're right on the money wrt the limited usefulness of doing these neuropsych tests repeatedly. Especially over short periods.
- jokoon 4y ago
  Yes, those drugs can't replace SSRI
- shudza 4y ago
  This. People need to stop looking for excuses and justification for wanting to experience drugs. I bet 95% percent of them 'missed out' doing it when it was age appropriate, and are just looking to scratch that itch while having a moral justification. They end up overdoing, and overthinking about it and it all has a bad end.
threeseed 4y ago
> Get up early, do a workout, take cold shower, meditate and then pop a microdose shrooms, feels great. But if you did all of those things without the shrooms you likely would still feel great. Especially exercise which is scientifically proven to improve wellbeing unlike the shrooms.
- EmilyHughes 4y ago
  sure, it's just the cherry on top on some days. You don't microdose and lay on your couch eating McDonalds, would feel wrong to me. Stacking all the good stuff has a nice synergy.
riekus 4y ago
I recommend dosing before your workout, I enjoy my long runs a lot more on micro/threshold dose of CBD or acid.
BossingAround 4y ago
> Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit The linked study seems to contradict you: >> According to our findings, low doses of psilocybin mushrooms can result in noticeable subjective effects and altered EEG rhythms, but without evidence to support enhanced well-being, creativity and cognitive function. We conclude that expectation underlies at least some of the anecdotal benefits attributed to microdosing with psilocybin mushrooms.
- kortex 4y ago
  Lack of strong evidence is not strong evidence of lack. Subtle effects like "well-being, creativity, and cognitive function" can be quite hard to track, and there are confounders galore.
  - paulcole 4y ago
    > We conclude that expectation underlies at least some of the anecdotal benefits attributed to microdosing with psilocybin mushrooms. That’s the key point. This person expects it to work so it works. They’re not adding it to their Morning Productivity Hacks Routine because they think it doesn’t work.
riekus 4y ago
I recommend dosing before your workout, I enjoy my long runs a lot more on micro/thresh
Scalestein 4y ago
Does your daily routine change when you microdose? Do you still take the cold shower and meditate and all that regardless of it being a microdose day or not? I found that when I was microdosing it made me way more mindful and apt to make "good/healthy" choices than normal. I think this is a tremendous benefit but for me very difficult to differentiate from a placebo effect.
- EmilyHughes 4y ago
  No it doesn't - that's my daily routine. I just microdose on some days on top of it.
aeturnum 4y ago
> Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit. > Microdosing is like steroids for meditation. I feel like I see a bit of wanting it both ways from people who like microdosing. There are lots of reports, like in this study, that the practice slightly (but only slightly!) lowers performance in most tests. On one hand, that's a pretty good trade-off as far as psychopharmaceuticals go. On the other hand, that's never how advocates present it. It's never "I'm a little less sharp but a lot happier." My personal view of the situation is that the traditional view that psychedelics push peoples' mental mindsets away from those that work best with capitalist models of productivity is correct. Stoners really don't make 'good workers' (though a good worker could still gain a much needed respite by getting a little stoned here and there). But actually that is good! A drug that had mild side effects and allows you to be released from the productivity-focused conditioning of our work-culture is a really useful tool. You just shouldn't focus your advocacy on the idea that these drugs should be promoted on the off chance they increase productivity: because the mean case is not going to. Edit: A clearer way to state what I mean is - occasional stoners probably do make more balanced workers - but they probably don't do their best work while they are stoned (or micro-stoned) and trying to insist they do seems unlikely to be the argument that decriminalized psychedelics.
NotTameAntelope 4y ago
Eh, just sounds like you have a good routine going, based on the study results you could probably skip the microdosing and achieve the same performance.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

Yeah, drugs feel great, news at 11. If psychiatry was just a matter of giving people a constant buzz, it would be solved a century ago. I'm not judging you for wanting to be high all the time, I've been there myself. But be intellectually honest and call it that, at least. Because it's not some kind of psychological panacea, and I wish people would stop implying it is. And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead.

eurasiantiger 4y ago
Uh, so you took a break from your ADHD medication to microdose? And you claim it is the microdose that made you less productive? I posit you need to take a microdose with your normal ADHD medication, otherwise the anecdote is meaningless even as a personal reference.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  No, I wasn't on medication at the time, couldn't get a script. I was looking for possible replacements, and a few psychedelics(LSD and 2C-B to name a couple) have psychostimulant properties. The idea was to try a few different regimens: True microdose alone: no noticable effect on concentration, and some worsening. Subpsychedelic yet strong enough doses to have stimulant effects: significant effect, but working memory was somewhat impaired. Impulsivity also increased. Various conventional but obscure RC stimulants: some were highly effective, even more so than D-amp or mph. But it wasn't possible to rule out long term cardiotoxic effects like valvulopathy, so I didn't stick to them for safety reasons. Then I did some limited trials with said stims + a true microcode, this just made me extremely scatterbrained and I quickly discontinued. Eventually I decided even if I found something, which I had, I couldn't safely use it long term anyway. I cleaned up my act long enough to get real meds.
EmilyHughes 4y ago
Trust me I tried all kinds of drugs and psychedelics are not the kind that get you hooked. Stimulants are especially addictive in my opinion. Psychs are the kind of drugs you say I have enough for a while if you overdo. On top of it they build tolerance immediately.
- dtx1 4y ago
  Can confirm, especially mushrooms. I had one trip on them and what my main take away was: It's exhausting to trip on mushrooms and after 4-5 hours I wanted to be sober again. I'll probably do it again in a few month but for me it's a whole-weekend kind of deal and hardly a party drug
  - EmilyHughes 4y ago
    It can be a "party drug" if you dose low, especially if you are chilling at a bar with friends. Just pushes you into a slightly better mood. I'll rather have a microdose with some beers than getting shitfaced drunk, feels subjectively healthier to me.
    - Thiez 4y ago
      Of course you could also just stop drinking after a few beers without taking additional drugs.
      - EmilyHughes 4y ago
        easier said than done. But you are right of course, that's where you want to go.
      - eurasiantiger 4y ago
        Of course, a few beers are much worse for you than a microdose of shrooms, so why choose the former?
  - fernandotakai 4y ago
    my main issue with mushrooms is how nauseous i get -- also, i lose all my appetite for at least 12h (last time, it took 24h for me to be actually hungry again).
henriquemaia 4y ago
That's an uncharitable reading. OP is just sharing what works with her/him. Which is ok. From what I understood from your comment, for you it doesn't. Which is ok too, as now you know yourself a bit better. Two personal experiments with very different outcomes. There's no need for moral judgments either way.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  I'm not saying her experience is invalid. If it works for her, great. But there is this tendency of microdosing proponents to oversell what is effectively a high(nothing wrong with that, I love getting high) as some sort of profound self-help tool. It's a high. That's fine. Getting high can have positive effects too. Call it that, though.
  - davidgrenier 4y ago
    The paper stated James Fadiman as the source for the characterization of a microdose, it however failed to properly convey his point of view. I've heard James Fadiman reporting twice that it is 10% of a recreational (1-3g) or therapeutic dose (3.0-3.5g), but certainly not 10% of a heroic dose. This study went with 0.5g which is 10% of what's considered a heroic dose. The effective dose is considered to be 6mg if psilocybin or 0.6g of dried magic mushroom, thus the amount given in the study is very close to being detectable (and incidently was in most of the cases) which I don't think you can charaterize as a microdose. James Fadiman expressly stated a microdose would be a dose that you couldn't detect and would forget you had taken while going on about your day. If one is taking 0.2-0.3g of dried magic mushroom this would be, without question, not getting high.
    - EmilyHughes 4y ago
      depends on your individual sensitivity to psychedelics, 0.2 would be too much for me to go into work, no visuals but a head trip. I also know plenty of people who can take 0.5 and don't feel much.
    - nick__m 4y ago
nicoburns 4y ago
I get what you’re saying, but I think the GP may see being less productive as a positive thing (productivity not being a universal value)
pengaru 4y ago
> And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead. If it made you high, you didn't microdose.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  With even lower dose, no effect was present. See my response to one of the other replies.
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> And yes, I've tried it. It made me high, but generally I was far less productive than I would be taking stimulants for my ADHD instead. I had some coworkers try microdosing several years ago. They were convinced that they were smarter and more productive on those days. Meanwhile, the rest of us could clearly see that they were just operating slower than normal and had a weirdly positive response to even slight achievements. Eventually the illusion was shattered when the rest of us would casually guess when they were microdosing and call them out because they were making obvious mistakes, missing things, or being amazed at benign realizations. And before anyone asks: Yes, they tried many different doses down to minuscule amounts. In retrospect, this is actually the least surprising result: That taking a micro-dose of a psychedelic produces a micro-trip.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  Yeah not sure what the source of this homeopathic type logic is. It's very strange, and applies to basically nothing else. So I'd like some pretty extraordinary evidence before I believe that taking deliberately ineffective doses of anything has any effect. And, good luck producing a dose-response curve...
- hinkley 4y ago
  I have often wondered this about people doing the napping versus sleeping experiment. Euphoria makes you feel like you know so much more than you do. I know of maybe one or two people who gave themselves cognitive tests during their experience. I don't recall the results but I clearly didn't take them seriously since I'm still unconvinced. I don't know about you guys but I tend to do better if I'm given the same kind of test three or four times. So if I were doing this experiment and my results stayed steady, I'd objectively be losing capacity versus the control.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    There's studies on "brain training" apps like Lumosity that tend to show that all you're improving at is the specific test, not the underlying mental capacity like working memory. And a related anecdote: I once asked my psychologist to do an IQ test on me, mainly out of curiosity. She refused, basically giving the logic you did. We have no reason to believe your IQ is low, or even average, and if we did do a test, and at some future point we needed a test for actual diagnostic purposes(say if I had a stroke or something), it could taint the result. So I'd say you're right on the money wrt the limited usefulness of doing these neuropsych tests repeatedly. Especially over short periods.
jokoon 4y ago
Yes, those drugs can't replace SSRI
shudza 4y ago
This. People need to stop looking for excuses and justification for wanting to experience drugs. I bet 95% percent of them 'missed out' doing it when it was age appropriate, and are just looking to scratch that itch while having a moral justification. They end up overdoing, and overthinking about it and it all has a bad end.

threeseed 4y ago

> Get up early, do a workout, take cold shower, meditate and then pop a microdose shrooms, feels great. But if you did all of those things without the shrooms you likely would still feel great. Especially exercise which is scientifically proven to improve wellbeing unlike the shrooms.

EmilyHughes 4y ago
sure, it's just the cherry on top on some days. You don't microdose and lay on your couch eating McDonalds, would feel wrong to me. Stacking all the good stuff has a nice synergy.

riekus 4y ago

I recommend dosing before your workout, I enjoy my long runs a lot more on micro/threshold dose of CBD or acid.

BossingAround 4y ago

> Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit The linked study seems to contradict you: >> According to our findings, low doses of psilocybin mushrooms can result in noticeable subjective effects and altered EEG rhythms, but without evidence to support enhanced well-being, creativity and cognitive function. We conclude that expectation underlies at least some of the anecdotal benefits attributed to microdosing with psilocybin mushrooms.

kortex 4y ago
Lack of strong evidence is not strong evidence of lack. Subtle effects like "well-being, creativity, and cognitive function" can be quite hard to track, and there are confounders galore.
- paulcole 4y ago
  > We conclude that expectation underlies at least some of the anecdotal benefits attributed to microdosing with psilocybin mushrooms. That’s the key point. This person expects it to work so it works. They’re not adding it to their Morning Productivity Hacks Routine because they think it doesn’t work.

riekus 4y ago

I recommend dosing before your workout, I enjoy my long runs a lot more on micro/thresh

Scalestein 4y ago

Does your daily routine change when you microdose? Do you still take the cold shower and meditate and all that regardless of it being a microdose day or not? I found that when I was microdosing it made me way more mindful and apt to make "good/healthy" choices than normal. I think this is a tremendous benefit but for me very difficult to differentiate from a placebo effect.

EmilyHughes 4y ago
No it doesn't - that's my daily routine. I just microdose on some days on top of it.

aeturnum 4y ago

> Been doing it for some months on & off, this shit is legit. > Microdosing is like steroids for meditation. I feel like I see a bit of wanting it both ways from people who like microdosing. There are lots of reports, like in this study, that the practice slightly (but only slightly!) lowers performance in most tests. On one hand, that's a pretty good trade-off as far as psychopharmaceuticals go. On the other hand, that's never how advocates present it. It's never "I'm a little less sharp but a lot happier." My personal view of the situation is that the traditional view that psychedelics push peoples' mental mindsets away from those that work best with capitalist models of productivity is correct. Stoners really don't make 'good workers' (though a good worker could still gain a much needed respite by getting a little stoned here and there). But actually that is good! A drug that had mild side effects and allows you to be released from the productivity-focused conditioning of our work-culture is a really useful tool. You just shouldn't focus your advocacy on the idea that these drugs should be promoted on the off chance they increase productivity: because the mean case is not going to. Edit: A clearer way to state what I mean is - occasional stoners probably do make more balanced workers - but they probably don't do their best work while they are stoned (or micro-stoned) and trying to insist they do seems unlikely to be the argument that decriminalized psychedelics.

NotTameAntelope 4y ago

Eh, just sounds like you have a good routine going, based on the study results you could probably skip the microdosing and achieve the same performance.

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