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That's exactly why the LGBT community pushed for the term 'non binary'. People mock a lot this term, but it's raison d'être is teens or young adults not feeling

by orwin 4y ago

That's exactly why the LGBT community pushed for the term 'non binary'. People mock a lot this term, but it's raison d'être is teens or young adults not feeling like the gender they are for multiple reason, one of which being attracted by the same sex, and one which 12 years ago was considered by my LGBTQ friends as the principal: feeling like gender stereotypes from your parents/environment crushed you. Your dad calling you 'not man enough' or your mom saying 'man up's when you were sad. Your mom calling you a tomboy and unattractive, forcing you to wear dresses and heels. With the ease of gender change surgery, this term is even more needed than before imho. And i feel like for an anglo country who worship Hamilton, this is weird to be against more information tbh.

slt2021 4y ago
do you believe in Darwin's theory? do non-binary genders exist among primates? non-binary (like the rest of 72 genders) is just a social construct, created fairly recently, it has no connection to biology of homo sapiens as biological species or any foundation in science. Only people's emotions/human feelings are the main basis for 72 genders that are now being told to kids left and right, together with ridiculous dose of hormone blockers
- Defletter 4y ago
  Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. Clownfish will literally transition from male to female, but there's yet no research as of yet to suggest that Clownfish start wearing heals. You are correct, gender is a social construct, so is motherhood and fatherhood and so on, but that doesn't mean those things aren't real, don't mean anything, or impact our lives or aren't deeply and sincerely held identities.
  - slt2021 4y ago
    If it is not scientific, but social construct, it means it can be accepted or rejected. So should we as a society universally accept all social constructs? Or should it be accepted on opt-in basis? I can only recognize universal nature laws, because I cant fight physics, and recognize legal laws, because they are enforced. But social constructs - it is not 100% clear to whom they are applicable and whether one can selectively reject certain social constructs. If a woman can reject social construct that she must be housewife and take care of kids, then by the same logic anyone can selectively reject any trendy social constructs like having gender #69
    - nindalf 4y ago
      You talk a lot about Darwin's theory. You've strongly implied or outright said in many comments that gayness is a choice. Could you please go ahead and explain gay relationships in wild animals? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals). What's the matter, they're watching too much TV?
    - Defletter 4y ago
      Nothing in this messy, complicated life is 100% clear; everything has exceptions, outliers, and grey areas... including biological sex. If you want to spend your free speech and precious time on this Earth invalidating other people's gender, then that's your prerogative, but you shouldn't be surprised if they use their free speech against you in return. Them calling you a bigot (or whatever) is a direct retaliation to you saying something objectionable about them or who they are. If you think they shouldn't be so offended then you should ask why you're so offended at being called a bigot. It works both ways.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. But they do: consider lions as an example. Male lions will guard the pride's territory while lionesses hunt for food.
- pseudalopex 4y ago
  Cultures through history all over the planet had more than 2 genders. Women born in male bodies, men born in female bodies, and 2 spirits in 1 body are old ideas.
- orwin 4y ago
  You ignored everything i said. Re-read please. Non-binary is (or at least was) a tool to avoid have teenagers and young (or older) adults feeling at odds with their assigned gender at a point in their life to avoid identifying as trans. IT IS TO AVOID those "ridiculous" dose of hormone blockers. Please just read the comment you are responding to. please. I know i'm not a native speaker and i moght have troubles to explain myself on non-teck subject, but it is quite clear that i am NOT TALKING AT ALL about what you're responding to.
pseudalopex 4y ago
Gender expression, gender identity, and sexual orientation are different. Most people same sex attracted people feel like their assigned gender. Even if they don't fit stereotypes
- orwin 4y ago
  Fair. i wasn't sure about that tbh, i only had the example of the "tomboy" who think she was a he for 5 years because her familly, and LGBTQ activist around Nantes who told me that a third gender should exist for case like this, to allow people like her to be able to think something else than "i do not feel like a female, i should then be a male" which can be detrimental.

by orwin 4y ago

slt2021 4y ago

do you believe in Darwin's theory? do non-binary genders exist among primates? non-binary (like the rest of 72 genders) is just a social construct, created fairly recently, it has no connection to biology of homo sapiens as biological species or any foundation in science. Only people's emotions/human feelings are the main basis for 72 genders that are now being told to kids left and right, together with ridiculous dose of hormone blockers

Defletter 4y ago
Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. Clownfish will literally transition from male to female, but there's yet no research as of yet to suggest that Clownfish start wearing heals. You are correct, gender is a social construct, so is motherhood and fatherhood and so on, but that doesn't mean those things aren't real, don't mean anything, or impact our lives or aren't deeply and sincerely held identities.
- slt2021 4y ago
  If it is not scientific, but social construct, it means it can be accepted or rejected. So should we as a society universally accept all social constructs? Or should it be accepted on opt-in basis? I can only recognize universal nature laws, because I cant fight physics, and recognize legal laws, because they are enforced. But social constructs - it is not 100% clear to whom they are applicable and whether one can selectively reject certain social constructs. If a woman can reject social construct that she must be housewife and take care of kids, then by the same logic anyone can selectively reject any trendy social constructs like having gender #69
  - nindalf 4y ago
    You talk a lot about Darwin's theory. You've strongly implied or outright said in many comments that gayness is a choice. Could you please go ahead and explain gay relationships in wild animals? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals). What's the matter, they're watching too much TV?
  - Defletter 4y ago
    Nothing in this messy, complicated life is 100% clear; everything has exceptions, outliers, and grey areas... including biological sex. If you want to spend your free speech and precious time on this Earth invalidating other people's gender, then that's your prerogative, but you shouldn't be surprised if they use their free speech against you in return. Them calling you a bigot (or whatever) is a direct retaliation to you saying something objectionable about them or who they are. If you think they shouldn't be so offended then you should ask why you're so offended at being called a bigot. It works both ways.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > Well, last I heard, the going theory is that other animals, other primates, don't have gender whatsoever. They have biological sex, of course, but no concept of gender: no concept that women should be in the kitchen can men should be bringing home to bacon, etc, etc, tired stereotypes that convey the point, etc. But they do: consider lions as an example. Male lions will guard the pride's territory while lionesses hunt for food.
pseudalopex 4y ago
Cultures through history all over the planet had more than 2 genders. Women born in male bodies, men born in female bodies, and 2 spirits in 1 body are old ideas.
orwin 4y ago
You ignored everything i said. Re-read please. Non-binary is (or at least was) a tool to avoid have teenagers and young (or older) adults feeling at odds with their assigned gender at a point in their life to avoid identifying as trans. IT IS TO AVOID those "ridiculous" dose of hormone blockers. Please just read the comment you are responding to. please. I know i'm not a native speaker and i moght have troubles to explain myself on non-teck subject, but it is quite clear that i am NOT TALKING AT ALL about what you're responding to.

pseudalopex 4y ago

Gender expression, gender identity, and sexual orientation are different. Most people same sex attracted people feel like their assigned gender. Even if they don't fit stereotypes

orwin 4y ago
Fair. i wasn't sure about that tbh, i only had the example of the "tomboy" who think she was a he for 5 years because her familly, and LGBTQ activist around Nantes who told me that a third gender should exist for case like this, to allow people like her to be able to think something else than "i do not feel like a female, i should then be a male" which can be detrimental.