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10% reach 60. No numbers above that. They are healthy while alive, but don’t live longer than people from developed nations. Look, the discussions around bad h
by WA 4y ago
10% reach 60. No numbers above that. They are healthy while alive, but don’t live longer than people from developed nations.
Look, the discussions around bad health effects of meat consumption all resolve around heart disease and cancer. The numbers are pretty irrelevant for people below 60 or so. We are essentially optimizing lifespan and are wondering what causes diseases in old age, like 70+.
It makes zero sense to look at bushmen or ask the paleo fairy, because most of them die earlier than most people in developed nations.
If we talk about health and well-being, yes, the average bushman alive is probably healthier than the average 60 year old westerner, because the sick people died in the bush but not here and because they move around a lot more. It is literally comparing the fittest 10% against a society that includes also the sick-but-still-alive.
- tomp 4y ago> They are healthy while alive If that's true, it would imply that they don't die of ill health (disease) but of accidents (eaten by lion) or incredibly curable stuff (e.g. bacterial infection). So their lifestyle is definitely something to mimick / learn from, as we can easily prevent the healthy person dying causes of death in the first world.
- oarabbus_ 4y ago> as we can easily prevent the healthy person dying causes of death in the first world. Citation needed. Accidental deaths from motor vehicle injuries plus other factors are disturbingly common in the first world.
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoDoesn't need a citation since other populations do similarly. Unless you insist barbecues are causing mass extinction.
- oarabbus_ 4y agoBarbecues causing mass extinction? Now that's one hell of a strawman. Citation still needed that modern society can "easily prevent" fatalities amongst healthy people, because it happens in all developed societies.
- notahacker 4y agoOr it implies that people with debilitating conditions don't survive for very long because the Bushman lifestyle is much worse for them in a wide variety of ways, so don't get factored into assessments of the surviving population's general health. More generally, the fact that a specific group of people who live outdoors and forage and hunt for food are generally in quite good physical shape is probably a better indicator that exercise is good for the physique (and lots of food and a sedentary lifestyle bad for it), than an indication we should go to the supermarket and buy more red meat in proportion to the amount they consume it. Older people can be wiry and surprisingly agile in vegetarian communities where there's [just] enough food and their traditional lifestyle entails walking around everywhere too, but that doesn't mean vegetarianism is a solution to first world dietary problems either. I'd be cautious about conflating agile with free from discomforting ailments too.
- watwut 4y agoNo, that would imply they die of illness more quickly and sooner as well as of accidents. It does not have to be incredibly curable, all it needs if for better Healthcare making some difference.
- moffkalast 4y ago> the paleo fairy, because most of them die earlier than most people in developed nations I require a source on the average timespan of paleo fairies.
- copperx 4y agoBy timespan do you mean the time that they remain in a Paleo diet? Or did you mean lifespan?
- moffkalast 4y ago...either would be good.