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It was an interesting comment and I agree with you that the rational market hypothesis has some issues. It is a real tragedy that rational as a word is as overl

It was an interesting comment and I agree with you that the rational market hypothesis has some issues. It is a real tragedy that rational as a word is as overloaded as it is. Even when I try to disambiguate I don’t feel you are noticing the subtleness of my disagreements. I take as a given, because of a recognition of the intractable aspects of having perfect information for example, that the hypothesis isn’t correct. It feels a bit much to criticize my use of the term though; after all… I, uh, didn’t use it? In fact I tried to direct you away from interpreting my point using that frame? Go back and you’ll notice I never even claimed that I believed it and instead talked about the belief of others. Even when I presented an argument that I do agree with it depended on a cooperative framing for a loss that doesn’t even make sense if the agent was perfect. On my side of things I also am lacking understanding of your points. I’m really not understanding is how you get to the actions being justifiably criminal. I agree with you that the hope is overconfident, but not that overconfidence is bad and certainly not that overconfidence is comparable to theft. My confusion on that step is why I’m taking about the nature of cooperation and trying to get at the fallout of the selfish and cooperative equilibriums. Jesus is Truth is a compatible frame for my claim that equilibrium cooperation is Truth. It is also compatible with the frame that gets Truth through unification as in logic, since the rules of it force the choice of the doors. It is also very in line with what how people use the term when they don’t have a definition: that the first to die in war is truth is obvious when truth is cooperative alignment of beliefs. I’m very satisfied with how I use the term. How satisfied would sound very melodramatic, so I’ll spare you except to warn that I would gladly die for this. Other definitions of truth don’t seem to bootstrap very well - they get caught in the weeds of words having no meaning prior to alignment. What I’m talking about is alignment.

JohnHaugeland 4y ago
I am not permitted to disagree with you on HN, even politely and using evidence
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  You're not doing great at the "politely" part.
  - JohnHaugeland 4y ago
    Your personal attacks are noted.
    - JoshCole 4y ago
      The book of Proverbs, a book on Wisdom, puts it this way: "The kisses of an enemy may be profuse, but faithful are the wounds of a friend." It tries to capture this paradoxical idea that harm can be to our benefit. Jesus had an interesting way of saying something I find to be similar: "Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it." He was talking about a woman who looked back at the destruction of a past life in a place of Sin with longing. I like playing video games and especially to compete in them so the place I first really got this idea was from there. There are people who fear playing ranked in competitive ranked video games. They fear it because they are afraid to lose rating, because they think if they lose rating they will be seen as bad. They really want to be good. So it scares them to lose rating. So they don't play ranked and because they don't play ranked they aren't tested. As a consequence of that they don't improve as they could have, but others do. So they stay about as good as they were while others improve. In sharp contrast one of the best players I know of in the world had a different mindset. He commended the practice of intentionally seeking out fights and dying. In the game he recommended this strategy, this was not the optimal strategy and he knew that - in tournaments he didn't use it, but he recommended to the learner. It had the property of maximizing the amount of learning he got per unit of time. When someone tries to seek to stay where they are and avoid judgement, what they get is judgement, because it is deserved. When someone tries to seek to be under judgement, what they get is praise, because the judgement isn't deserved. What I'm trying to get at here is sometimes our ego tries to protect us, because it wants good for us, but we need to be wiser than it is. The present, the short term, it is only here for a moment. What we are going to experience later is what really matters. So it isn't a great bother if we lose horrifically. Whatever errors someone might heap upon us: this is wonderful, a great opportunity to learn and grow.
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JohnHaugeland 4y ago

I am not permitted to disagree with you on HN, even politely and using evidence

Dylan16807 4y ago
You're not doing great at the "politely" part.
- JohnHaugeland 4y ago
  Your personal attacks are noted.
  - JoshCole 4y ago
    The book of Proverbs, a book on Wisdom, puts it this way: "The kisses of an enemy may be profuse, but faithful are the wounds of a friend." It tries to capture this paradoxical idea that harm can be to our benefit. Jesus had an interesting way of saying something I find to be similar: "Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it." He was talking about a woman who looked back at the destruction of a past life in a place of Sin with longing. I like playing video games and especially to compete in them so the place I first really got this idea was from there. There are people who fear playing ranked in competitive ranked video games. They fear it because they are afraid to lose rating, because they think if they lose rating they will be seen as bad. They really want to be good. So it scares them to lose rating. So they don't play ranked and because they don't play ranked they aren't tested. As a consequence of that they don't improve as they could have, but others do. So they stay about as good as they were while others improve. In sharp contrast one of the best players I know of in the world had a different mindset. He commended the practice of intentionally seeking out fights and dying. In the game he recommended this strategy, this was not the optimal strategy and he knew that - in tournaments he didn't use it, but he recommended to the learner. It had the property of maximizing the amount of learning he got per unit of time. When someone tries to seek to stay where they are and avoid judgement, what they get is judgement, because it is deserved. When someone tries to seek to be under judgement, what they get is praise, because the judgement isn't deserved. What I'm trying to get at here is sometimes our ego tries to protect us, because it wants good for us, but we need to be wiser than it is. The present, the short term, it is only here for a moment. What we are going to experience later is what really matters. So it isn't a great bother if we lose horrifically. Whatever errors someone might heap upon us: this is wonderful, a great opportunity to learn and grow.

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