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The bit about using face recognition to customize the music is cool until you think about how it would be cloud based, your face would be associated with an adv

The bit about using face recognition to customize the music is cool until you think about how it would be cloud based, your face would be associated with an advertising ID, and your day-to-day comings and goings in the physical world would be tracked. But hey, it starts playing the Gorillaz when you get on so totally worth it right?

ekianjo 4y ago
Your day to day comings and goings in the physical world are already tracked.
- akomtu 4y ago
  The final battle in the lord of the rings: "My brave warriors! We have already lost. Freedom is not worth fighting for. Orcs outnumber us, and they are so cruel! If we surrender to Sauron, he might choose to burn us quickly. Let's give up our swords, bend to the enemy and show them how spineless we are!"
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    So you interpret my comment which is a purely factual one as willingness to giving up on Privacy? OK.
    - nonrandomstring 4y ago
      "You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train" [1] Not to pick on you for any reason, but I interpret it that way too. And FWIW I thought akomtu's comment was quite funny. Saying that a state of affairs already exists is no kind of moral or rational argument against the wrongs of bad circumstances. In it's most charitable interpretation it's just empty "whataboutism". A less charitable take is that it's tacit support for a situation by propagating morale-sapping defeatism. I'm glad that more people are starting to call out "Privacy is dead just give up" naysayers. Now, I'm not saying you are one or that is your intent, but please be mindful that statements that seem to normalise bad circumstances in an offhand way can can't help but be interpreted at lending assent. As Howard Zinn put it [1]: "The power of a bold idea uttered publicly in defiance of dominant opinion cannot be easily measured. Those special people who speak out in such a way as to shake up not only the self-assurance of their enemies, but the complacency of their friends, are precious catalysts for change." The same goes for bad ideas as for bold ones. So instead of simply amplifying what is in a rotten world, why not go one step further and say what should be if you wish to say anything at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn:_You_Can%27t_Be_Neutral_on_a_Moving_Train https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn:_You_Can%27t_Be_Ne...
      - ekianjo 4y ago
        > Now, I'm not saying you are one or that is your intent, but please be mindful that statements that seem to normalise bad circumstances in an offhand way In case it was not clear, the parent comment I was responding to was mentioning "if we do that, we'd be tracked day and night wherever we go" (I paraphrase) and to me it's amusing that that poster did not notice that it's already happening right now. That does not say anything about this being desirable or not, again. > say what should be if you wish to say anything at all. You don't have any say about how I should comment on HN.
- junon 4y ago
  .... if you keep a mobile device on you or live in a surveillance state.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    the percentage of people without a mobile phone is becoming vanishingly small, and even if you don't have one, most states in the west have now implemented tracking of cars, face recognition and the like in cities and public places. Let's not forget tracking of any kind of digital spending including credit cards, which can easily clarify where you have been and when. I guess you are still safe if you go alone in the middle of the woods without any device.
hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago
Gorillaz or targeted advertisements?
- hn_go_brrrrr 4y ago
  Hello, Mr. Yakamoto, welcome back to the Gap! How'd those assorted tank tops work out for you?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - hinkley 4y ago
    It troubles me rather deeply how many people I have talked to about that movie who completely tuned out the whole pervasive advertising subplot. Didn't see it. I was talking about the ads on every vertical surface in the mall, not long after the movie came out, and someone said, "I guess I didn't notice." This is how democracy dies. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Ready Player One is much more on the nose about it, but it goes by so fast people likely missed it too: > we estimate we can sell up to 80% of an individual's visual field before inducing seizures
    - vijayr02 4y ago
      https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/06/minority-report-spielberg-movie-tom-cruise/661274/ https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/06/minority... > But Minority Report, though it was written and filmed before 9/11, might be Spielberg’s most prescient work of all. Tasked with predicting our near future, he imagined an America filled with dazzling inventions but rotting from the inside out, one in which the erosion of civil liberties is thinly veiled by chest-thumping braggadocio about technology’s power to solve every problem. Spielberg's eye-scanning cameras and autocratic cops could easily be exchanged with the overreach of the PATRIOT Act, or the NSA listening in to casual conversations. The film’s warning is one the world is only beginning to heed. We may not have precogs dreaming of murders in police precincts, but so much beloved technology of today is just as effective at watching and constricting our lives.
jeromegv 4y ago
The benefits of having face masks normalized!
SllX 4y ago
It’s all fun and games until I step onto the elevator. If life’s taught me anything, it’s that other people don’t like the music I like and I have access to an effectively endless amount of it between Bandcamp and YouTube.
- JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
  My outrun music would be amazing on an elevator full of people though. Screeching tires, synthesizers, and engine sounds as we plunge.
  - atoav 4y ago
    Mine would definitly be an truthful emulation of the elevator crashing up/down the shaft.
    - Kye 4y ago
      Taking a guess: djent?
- salmo 4y ago
  Everyone was happy until I stepped on the elevator and Trout Mask Replica came on. I always think of Johnny Rotten’s story of playing it at parties to piss people off for these examples. And I do actually like it. But I will admit I listen to Safe As Milk far more often.
fy20 4y ago
Would you be against such a system if the recognition was done entirely locally and it only sent aggregated stats (male, 30-39) to the cloud? I feel like this is coming whether we like it or not, but we (as engineers) can at least try to push it in the right direction. My guess is it doesn't do proper face recognition but just tries to put you into a bucket. "Oh you are a female teenager, play whatever is popular for that bucket"
- Freak_NL 4y ago
  People are already pushing back to one-way collection of such data in public spaces, so I would guess that an implementation that does that and directly acts on it (effectively pigeonholing you in a generic musical preference cohort based on age and sex) would cause an even stronger reaction. In the Netherlands a couple of those companies that rent out screens with advertising in the public space placed new versions that included a camera above the screen meant for measuring people's reactions to content shown, detecting demographics and mood. After public backlash they promised these were deactivated until the legal situation became clear, but by now they've stuck thick badges over these with their brand name. I guess they got sick of people putting stickers over the camera holes.
- pfyra 4y ago
  The right direction, IMO, is to keep the elevators silent. If someone implements your proposal, someone else will top that with complete tracking and the killer feature being the accurate music choice. I bet nobody would like to sign an agreement or privacy policy to use an elevator though. Less is more in this case.
- netsharc 4y ago
  It's too easy to track where you've been walking inside a shopping mall, and if you're the only person in the elevator, it can trace that you were previously looking at {laptops,refrigerators,lingerie} and play an ad to promote the product to get you to seal the deal... "Today at the lingerie department we have a 20% discount!"
- snapetom 4y ago
  This is an honest question. Stop acting like asshat redditors with the downvotes. A downvote on this is not a no vote to the question.
heavyset_go 4y ago
This already happens.
dwringer 4y ago
I've suspected for several years now that Sheetz convenience stores do this. Or possibly that the person that does their programming has an extremely diverse taste in relatively obscure music overlapping several of the songs I've engaged with on social media in the past.
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  I get the feeling that at some point the muzak groups did some kind of study that shows shoppers are more likely to frequent a place if they play one slightly obscure song they really like. Which will lead to places like a convenience store playing a string of obscure tracks from a large variety of genre's. Or at least that's how I explain my local store playing a country song into some obscure song I love from 20+ years ago, into some modernish pop song. Maybe some place has furthered this with recognition software, but I don't interact with much social media and still have noticed this.
  - dwringer 4y ago
    That seems plausible, I always chalked my suspicions up to paranoia more than anything but it could still be an unsettling feeling from time to time.

ekianjo 4y ago

Your day to day comings and goings in the physical world are already tracked.

akomtu 4y ago
The final battle in the lord of the rings: "My brave warriors! We have already lost. Freedom is not worth fighting for. Orcs outnumber us, and they are so cruel! If we surrender to Sauron, he might choose to burn us quickly. Let's give up our swords, bend to the enemy and show them how spineless we are!"
- ekianjo 4y ago
  So you interpret my comment which is a purely factual one as willingness to giving up on Privacy? OK.
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    "You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train" [1] Not to pick on you for any reason, but I interpret it that way too. And FWIW I thought akomtu's comment was quite funny. Saying that a state of affairs already exists is no kind of moral or rational argument against the wrongs of bad circumstances. In it's most charitable interpretation it's just empty "whataboutism". A less charitable take is that it's tacit support for a situation by propagating morale-sapping defeatism. I'm glad that more people are starting to call out "Privacy is dead just give up" naysayers. Now, I'm not saying you are one or that is your intent, but please be mindful that statements that seem to normalise bad circumstances in an offhand way can can't help but be interpreted at lending assent. As Howard Zinn put it [1]: "The power of a bold idea uttered publicly in defiance of dominant opinion cannot be easily measured. Those special people who speak out in such a way as to shake up not only the self-assurance of their enemies, but the complacency of their friends, are precious catalysts for change." The same goes for bad ideas as for bold ones. So instead of simply amplifying what is in a rotten world, why not go one step further and say what should be if you wish to say anything at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn:_You_Can%27t_Be_Neutral_on_a_Moving_Train https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn:_You_Can%27t_Be_Ne...
    - ekianjo 4y ago
      > Now, I'm not saying you are one or that is your intent, but please be mindful that statements that seem to normalise bad circumstances in an offhand way In case it was not clear, the parent comment I was responding to was mentioning "if we do that, we'd be tracked day and night wherever we go" (I paraphrase) and to me it's amusing that that poster did not notice that it's already happening right now. That does not say anything about this being desirable or not, again. > say what should be if you wish to say anything at all. You don't have any say about how I should comment on HN.
junon 4y ago
.... if you keep a mobile device on you or live in a surveillance state.
- hgsgm 4y ago
- ekianjo 4y ago
  the percentage of people without a mobile phone is becoming vanishingly small, and even if you don't have one, most states in the west have now implemented tracking of cars, face recognition and the like in cities and public places. Let's not forget tracking of any kind of digital spending including credit cards, which can easily clarify where you have been and when. I guess you are still safe if you go alone in the middle of the woods without any device.

hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago

Gorillaz or targeted advertisements?

hn_go_brrrrr 4y ago
Hello, Mr. Yakamoto, welcome back to the Gap! How'd those assorted tank tops work out for you?
- deleted 4y ago
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- hinkley 4y ago
  It troubles me rather deeply how many people I have talked to about that movie who completely tuned out the whole pervasive advertising subplot. Didn't see it. I was talking about the ads on every vertical surface in the mall, not long after the movie came out, and someone said, "I guess I didn't notice." This is how democracy dies. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Ready Player One is much more on the nose about it, but it goes by so fast people likely missed it too: > we estimate we can sell up to 80% of an individual's visual field before inducing seizures
  - vijayr02 4y ago
    https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/06/minority-report-spielberg-movie-tom-cruise/661274/ https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/06/minority... > But Minority Report, though it was written and filmed before 9/11, might be Spielberg’s most prescient work of all. Tasked with predicting our near future, he imagined an America filled with dazzling inventions but rotting from the inside out, one in which the erosion of civil liberties is thinly veiled by chest-thumping braggadocio about technology’s power to solve every problem. Spielberg's eye-scanning cameras and autocratic cops could easily be exchanged with the overreach of the PATRIOT Act, or the NSA listening in to casual conversations. The film’s warning is one the world is only beginning to heed. We may not have precogs dreaming of murders in police precincts, but so much beloved technology of today is just as effective at watching and constricting our lives.

jeromegv 4y ago

The benefits of having face masks normalized!

SllX 4y ago

It’s all fun and games until I step onto the elevator. If life’s taught me anything, it’s that other people don’t like the music I like and I have access to an effectively endless amount of it between Bandcamp and YouTube.

JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
My outrun music would be amazing on an elevator full of people though. Screeching tires, synthesizers, and engine sounds as we plunge.
- atoav 4y ago
  Mine would definitly be an truthful emulation of the elevator crashing up/down the shaft.
  - Kye 4y ago
    Taking a guess: djent?
salmo 4y ago
Everyone was happy until I stepped on the elevator and Trout Mask Replica came on. I always think of Johnny Rotten’s story of playing it at parties to piss people off for these examples. And I do actually like it. But I will admit I listen to Safe As Milk far more often.

fy20 4y ago

Would you be against such a system if the recognition was done entirely locally and it only sent aggregated stats (male, 30-39) to the cloud? I feel like this is coming whether we like it or not, but we (as engineers) can at least try to push it in the right direction. My guess is it doesn't do proper face recognition but just tries to put you into a bucket. "Oh you are a female teenager, play whatever is popular for that bucket"

Freak_NL 4y ago
People are already pushing back to one-way collection of such data in public spaces, so I would guess that an implementation that does that and directly acts on it (effectively pigeonholing you in a generic musical preference cohort based on age and sex) would cause an even stronger reaction. In the Netherlands a couple of those companies that rent out screens with advertising in the public space placed new versions that included a camera above the screen meant for measuring people's reactions to content shown, detecting demographics and mood. After public backlash they promised these were deactivated until the legal situation became clear, but by now they've stuck thick badges over these with their brand name. I guess they got sick of people putting stickers over the camera holes.
pfyra 4y ago
The right direction, IMO, is to keep the elevators silent. If someone implements your proposal, someone else will top that with complete tracking and the killer feature being the accurate music choice. I bet nobody would like to sign an agreement or privacy policy to use an elevator though. Less is more in this case.
netsharc 4y ago
It's too easy to track where you've been walking inside a shopping mall, and if you're the only person in the elevator, it can trace that you were previously looking at {laptops,refrigerators,lingerie} and play an ad to promote the product to get you to seal the deal... "Today at the lingerie department we have a 20% discount!"
snapetom 4y ago
This is an honest question. Stop acting like asshat redditors with the downvotes. A downvote on this is not a no vote to the question.

heavyset_go 4y ago

This already happens.

dwringer 4y ago

I've suspected for several years now that Sheetz convenience stores do this. Or possibly that the person that does their programming has an extremely diverse taste in relatively obscure music overlapping several of the songs I've engaged with on social media in the past.

boomboomsubban 4y ago
I get the feeling that at some point the muzak groups did some kind of study that shows shoppers are more likely to frequent a place if they play one slightly obscure song they really like. Which will lead to places like a convenience store playing a string of obscure tracks from a large variety of genre's. Or at least that's how I explain my local store playing a country song into some obscure song I love from 20+ years ago, into some modernish pop song. Maybe some place has furthered this with recognition software, but I don't interact with much social media and still have noticed this.
- dwringer 4y ago
  That seems plausible, I always chalked my suspicions up to paranoia more than anything but it could still be an unsettling feeling from time to time.