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False advertising it would be if it caused a reasonable man to believe that it is a full self-driving, isn't it? Well, show me a reasonable man who would believ

by trhway 4y ago

False advertising it would be if it caused a reasonable man to believe that it is a full self-driving, isn't it? Well, show me a reasonable man who would believe that full self driving does exist today :)

netsharc 4y ago
That's a bit like saying "you'd be an idiot if you believed these 3 words to mean what they mean!"...
- trhway 4y ago
  So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? It is like that guy drinking a beer and suing the beer producer for all those women and the military jet from that beer ads not materializing in his life.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    > So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? You're being deliberately obtuse, IMO. Context matters. If we lived in a world where launching missiles into interstellar space is possible and a weapons company sells a rocket with this claimed capability, then I'd be wondering if this feature means it can actually make a star go supernova. To use your own logic: Tesla sells cars. It claims "full self driving". Oh wow, what activity should I expect this feature to be doing? And what object will the feature apply to?
  - vba616 4y ago
    If you're talking about the hypothetical group of people that paid $10K extra specifically to get all that stuff in the beer ads, like an option package for their beer, then what most reasonable people expect is beside the point. Dumb or not, they were intentionally cheated out of a lot of money and it's documented.
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    > So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site. Congrats I guess.
uoaei 4y ago
Go ahead, ask 100 people on the street, see what they say.
- trhway 4y ago
  Those people aren't buying Tesla.
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
    You might be surprised. It’s not as exclusive a club as a Tesla owner might want it to be.
  - namecheapTA 4y ago
    I worked at a luxury dealership that also had a full electric. Teslas were constantly trade in by fancy people that were disillusioned by how terrible a Tesla is inside. Even to me as a car salesman, a Tesla is just a fancy commute car. It sure isn't a luxury vehicle. So get off your high horse.
- 988747 4y ago
  You don’t even have to do a poll, there’s enough YouTube videos with the driver napping behind the wheel on a highway to prove that Tesla’s advertising is misleading
Vecr 4y ago
I think you could reasonably think self driving cars exist today, or at least driverless ones with only minimal outside control by humans during the actual drive, because self driving taxi services do exist, though only in well-mapped geofenced areas, and I would not be surprised if they drove all the routes with a test driver first. If they are fake, it's very convincing, as it's clearly not just someone with a TV and game controller a few miles away. A computer is clearly controlling the path of the car without human input for seconds at a time.
dehrmann 4y ago
A court did decide that Musk can say what he wants because no one would reasonably believe him.
lostsock 4y ago
The copy on the website is pretty damn clear[1]: ------- Full Self-Driving Capability All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates. ------- It never once says or implies Full Self Driving is available now. Tesla intends it to really be "full self driving", when it's ready and has regulatory approval. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  They also advertise "Full Self Driving Beta" as being available right now. An actual beta would be a hundred times closer in capability.
  - lostsock 4y ago
    While there are obviously cases that FSD beta can't currently handle well, there are countless YouTube videos where FSD Beta is able to do 20+ minute commutes with zero disengagements. 100 times more capable would be 2,000 minutes, or 33 hours. Do you really think the beta, which is an opt in closed program that you have to qualify for and has caveats and warnings, needs to be 100 times more capable before it's released?
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      It doesn't have to be 100 times more capable. It has to be 100 times closer to full self driving before it's really a "beta" of full self driving. As an analogy, let's say something is 30cm, and you want to get it to "almost a meter". If that's 95cm, then you need to get about 15 times closer. That means reducing the gap by a factor of 15. It doesn't mean you need 450cm. Though I'd be fine with your time metric too. I do want to get to the point where 33 hours without disengagements is routine before "full self driving" is talked about as almost done. I wouldn't want to require that before it's released at all, I just want an accurate name applied.
simion314 4y ago
Elon was tricky, he said is not FSD now, buy buy now and FSD will be ready in max 1 year, but if you wish you could make a survey and ask on Tesla subreddit if FSD customers are "Reasonable" and if they know that it is all a marketing thing and not actual full self driving and it will never be. Let me know if you made this survey I will watch the results.

by trhway 4y ago

netsharc 4y ago

That's a bit like saying "you'd be an idiot if you believed these 3 words to mean what they mean!"...

trhway 4y ago
So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? It is like that guy drinking a beer and suing the beer producer for all those women and the military jet from that beer ads not materializing in his life.
- netsharc 4y ago
  > So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? You're being deliberately obtuse, IMO. Context matters. If we lived in a world where launching missiles into interstellar space is possible and a weapons company sells a rocket with this claimed capability, then I'd be wondering if this feature means it can actually make a star go supernova. To use your own logic: Tesla sells cars. It claims "full self driving". Oh wow, what activity should I expect this feature to be doing? And what object will the feature apply to?
- vba616 4y ago
  If you're talking about the hypothetical group of people that paid $10K extra specifically to get all that stuff in the beer ads, like an option package for their beer, then what most reasonable people expect is beside the point. Dumb or not, they were intentionally cheated out of a lot of money and it's documented.
- throwaway5959 4y ago
  > So buying "Star Blast" chewing gum what star one can expect to get blasted? This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site. Congrats I guess.

uoaei 4y ago

Go ahead, ask 100 people on the street, see what they say.

trhway 4y ago
Those people aren't buying Tesla.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  You might be surprised. It’s not as exclusive a club as a Tesla owner might want it to be.
- namecheapTA 4y ago
  I worked at a luxury dealership that also had a full electric. Teslas were constantly trade in by fancy people that were disillusioned by how terrible a Tesla is inside. Even to me as a car salesman, a Tesla is just a fancy commute car. It sure isn't a luxury vehicle. So get off your high horse.
988747 4y ago
You don’t even have to do a poll, there’s enough YouTube videos with the driver napping behind the wheel on a highway to prove that Tesla’s advertising is misleading

Vecr 4y ago

I think you could reasonably think self driving cars exist today, or at least driverless ones with only minimal outside control by humans during the actual drive, because self driving taxi services do exist, though only in well-mapped geofenced areas, and I would not be surprised if they drove all the routes with a test driver first. If they are fake, it's very convincing, as it's clearly not just someone with a TV and game controller a few miles away. A computer is clearly controlling the path of the car without human input for seconds at a time.

dehrmann 4y ago

A court did decide that Musk can say what he wants because no one would reasonably believe him.

lostsock 4y ago

The copy on the website is pretty damn clear[1]: ------- Full Self-Driving Capability All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates. ------- It never once says or implies Full Self Driving is available now. Tesla intends it to really be "full self driving", when it's ready and has regulatory approval. [1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Dylan16807 4y ago
They also advertise "Full Self Driving Beta" as being available right now. An actual beta would be a hundred times closer in capability.
- lostsock 4y ago
  While there are obviously cases that FSD beta can't currently handle well, there are countless YouTube videos where FSD Beta is able to do 20+ minute commutes with zero disengagements. 100 times more capable would be 2,000 minutes, or 33 hours. Do you really think the beta, which is an opt in closed program that you have to qualify for and has caveats and warnings, needs to be 100 times more capable before it's released?
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    It doesn't have to be 100 times more capable. It has to be 100 times closer to full self driving before it's really a "beta" of full self driving. As an analogy, let's say something is 30cm, and you want to get it to "almost a meter". If that's 95cm, then you need to get about 15 times closer. That means reducing the gap by a factor of 15. It doesn't mean you need 450cm. Though I'd be fine with your time metric too. I do want to get to the point where 33 hours without disengagements is routine before "full self driving" is talked about as almost done. I wouldn't want to require that before it's released at all, I just want an accurate name applied.

simion314 4y ago

Elon was tricky, he said is not FSD now, buy buy now and FSD will be ready in max 1 year, but if you wish you could make a survey and ask on Tesla subreddit if FSD customers are "Reasonable" and if they know that it is all a marketing thing and not actual full self driving and it will never be. Let me know if you made this survey I will watch the results.