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How is it fake? I'd have never learned about, e.g., some of the gender critical viewpoints, if Twitter hadn't banned people expressing them. It wouldn't have

by 762236 4y ago

How is it fake? I'd have never learned about, e.g., some of the gender critical viewpoints, if Twitter hadn't banned people expressing them. It wouldn't have come on my radar. But since Twitter did ban some of those people, those viewpoints came on my radar (being relayed by others via screenshots), which raised my awareness of it. That fits the definition of Streisand effect.

Dylan16807 4y ago
Because twitter wasn't trying to make those viewpoints go away or hide them from the world. They just didn't want to themselves amplify those views to hundreds or thousands or more people. Twitter's not trying to keep gender critical viewpoints a secret, or remove them from anywhere outside of twitter.
- 762236 4y ago
  They did amplify, or I wouldn't have learned about them. Twitter does seem to be trying to keep gender-critical viewpoints secret, but covertly, as they make it really easy to get banned for "hate speech" when you engage in gender-critical speech. The same for other topics that people label as misinformation, such as sharing the actual statistical results from vaccine trials. I never cared about the statistical results until people got banned for sharing them, thus Twitter indirectly amplified.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  That is a ridiculously tortured argument. The censor not extending his reach to outside venues doesn't make him any less a censor.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Streisand effect is about information someone is trying to keep hidden. This kind of Twitter moderation fits neither half of that. I don't want to fuss about what counts as "censorship" or not. That's not productive.
    - homonculus1 4y ago
      1. Detransition accounts are information 2. Twitter bans users specifically to suppress that information, i.e. minimize its reach, i.e. hide it Bald-facedly denying censorship is certainly not intellectually productive, might I suggest you simply stop doing that?

by 762236 4y ago

Dylan16807 4y ago

Because twitter wasn't trying to make those viewpoints go away or hide them from the world. They just didn't want to themselves amplify those views to hundreds or thousands or more people. Twitter's not trying to keep gender critical viewpoints a secret, or remove them from anywhere outside of twitter.

762236 4y ago
They did amplify, or I wouldn't have learned about them. Twitter does seem to be trying to keep gender-critical viewpoints secret, but covertly, as they make it really easy to get banned for "hate speech" when you engage in gender-critical speech. The same for other topics that people label as misinformation, such as sharing the actual statistical results from vaccine trials. I never cared about the statistical results until people got banned for sharing them, thus Twitter indirectly amplified.
homonculus1 4y ago
That is a ridiculously tortured argument. The censor not extending his reach to outside venues doesn't make him any less a censor.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Streisand effect is about information someone is trying to keep hidden. This kind of Twitter moderation fits neither half of that. I don't want to fuss about what counts as "censorship" or not. That's not productive.
  - homonculus1 4y ago
    1. Detransition accounts are information 2. Twitter bans users specifically to suppress that information, i.e. minimize its reach, i.e. hide it Bald-facedly denying censorship is certainly not intellectually productive, might I suggest you simply stop doing that?