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As I understand it, the idea is that people are essentially subletting the bandwidth they pay for from their ISP. ISPs famously overprovision users. While your
by munificent 4y ago
As I understand it, the idea is that people are essentially subletting the bandwidth they pay for from their ISP.
ISPs famously overprovision users. While your ISP plan may nominally guarantee some level of bandwidth, the network physically can't support all users using that much bandwidth at the same time.
It's like gyms where if everyone who had a membership actually showed up, there wouldn't be enough gear to go around. The gym's business model completely relies on the fact that most members don't use the maximum of what their plan allows.
ISPs don't want you subletting their bandwidth because that makes it easier to consume all of what your plan allows. They absolutely can't handle a signficant fraction of their users doing that.
So, if a subsidized mesh network were to ever become popular enough to be a viable business, ISPs would simply forbid users from participating in it.
It's just a fundamentally broken business model. It would be like sharing a gym membership across multiple people. Makes perfect sense for the member. "Hey, I only go one day a week anyway, so I can let 6 other people share it on the other days!" But the gym itself straight up could not sustain that at their current membership prices. Their only options are:
1. Forbid it (which is what they already do, since membership is associated with a specific person).
2. Go out of business.
3. Jack up membership prices until they can sustain all members fully utilizing their membership. But that would drive away members who didn't share memberships and make it so that your fraction of a shared membership is about as expensive as a single one used to be.
Fundamentally, you can't pull infrastructure out of thin air. Pretending you can be reselling it won't work.
- sokoloff 4y agoSharing a portion of my 300Mbps down/20 Mbps up bandwidth for a LoRaWAN network that passes dozens to low hundreds of bps per device is like fretting over people breathing the air in the gym parking lot.
- munificent 4y agoIf the device is only passing a few hundred bits per second, that also implies that it is doing almost nothing of value as well. Here's maybe another way to think about it: What possible viable business model is there for consumer ISP customers to build an ad hoc wireless network on top of the ISP's infrastructure that wouldn't immediately get killed by ISPs entirely reasonably cutting out the middle man?
- sokoloff 4y agoThe step from connectivity of 0 bps to 100 bps is massive. Plenty of sensor apps need a few hundred bytes per day to create value.
- digdugdirk 4y agoWhat about a separate mesh network? i.e.- not connected to the global internet through an ISP. I could see there being value to a fully independent "intranet" local to a geographic region.
- ahepp 4y agoYou could also provide less (but fully available) bandwidth at the same price. Offer the current 1gbps plan at a much higher rate. Or more realistically you could introduce plans with data caps, or “burst modes”. I think there are a lot of knobs here.