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i remember that, why would you book bands like limp biscuit and korn for Woodstock? To me the original Woodstock vibe was the peace and free love part of the 60

i remember that, why would you book bands like limp biscuit and korn for Woodstock? To me the original Woodstock vibe was the peace and free love part of the 60s counterculture. peace and love is not a feeling you get from korn in those times. didn't Blind come out about that time? The cover art was an implied violent abduction of a little girl. i doubt that would fly these days...

giarc 4y ago
Woodstock 99 was more of a commercial endeavor and they booked the most popular acts of the time, which happened to be bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit unfortunately.
- justinator 4y ago
  I mean they also booked Guster, P-Funk, and Jewel - not exactly powderkegs for revolutions.
throwaway17_17 4y ago
Blind was released in 1994. The albums Follow the Leader (1998) and Issues (1999). Not really important, just clarifying to be pendantic.
- pipeline_peak 4y ago
  How could you possibly forget Life is Peachy?
boomboomsubban 4y ago
Both tried to get some of the largest bands of the counterculture, the sixties version of that had far more "peace and love" vibes. They could have done a new Woodstock where they went for reviving the hippy festival, but it was more profitable to go for relaunching the massive festival. Plus a billion hippy festivals exist.
sophacles 4y ago
Why wouldn't you book Korn (et al)? Woodstock 69 was a music festival for major rock headliners with a goal of making a pile of money & advertised using the zeitgeist of the time. Woodstock 99 was a music festival for major rock headliners with a goal of making a pile of money & advertised using nostalgia for the previous one.
- baobabKoodaa 4y ago
  - maverwa 4y ago
    To be fair, your suggestion that the person above thinks „making money justifies rape and death“ ist pretty far fetched. They basically said „if you want a big festival you book popular band“ and you said „so you thinks rape is okay?“. No that’s not what they said. Suggesting the thinks the result is „okay“ because they gave a - imho totally reasonable - explanation for a decision someone made some ~23 years ago is pretty disingenuous at least.
- SkittyDog 4y ago
  Your reply strikes me as snarky and rude. You could have phrased your comment differently, and made the exact same point, but without being disrespectful to everyone who has to read your reply. * https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Under "In Comments"... > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. ... > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. ... > Please don't post shallow dismissals...
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  - nativespecies 4y ago
    You're really invoking the code of conduct for this completely benign reply? Get over yourself.
lostgame 4y ago
>> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock Pick one. You can’t have both. :P btw I am a huge fan of both Korn (they are the best-sounding act I have ever heard live, Daft Punk included) - and the psychedelic rock that is far more appropriate for such a festival, like MGMT, the Flaming Lips, Zeppelin, etc. I’m just saying even though they were popular ‘rock’ acts at the time, I’d argue actually that these bands fall closer to the ‘metal’ and ‘nu-metal’ genres. Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did.
- rglover 4y ago
  > >> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock. Pick one. You can’t have both. :P Exactly. > Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did. As one of the biggest rock bands in the world at the time should do. That's the point of a rock concert (especially a hard rock/metal show). Some level of chaos/destruction should be expected. I don't really understand where this notion that everything needs to be bubble-wrapped came from (that's partially a lie, as it clearly comes from culture getting too obsessed with safety combined with the loss of nuance). A few years back I was in the mosh pit at a Nine Inch Nails show and bumped into a girl (during this song [1]) who was standing right in the front at the middle. She gave me a dirty look and all I could think to shout was "you're in the front row at a f*cking Nine Inch Nails concert." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkBmJGGwdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkBmJGGwdA
  - vlunkr 4y ago
    You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? I love rock concerts, but I'll find somewhere relatively calm to watch from. I paid money to watch and listen to a band play, not to act like a maniac. A small percentage of the crowd actually wants to participate in a mosh pit, everyone else has to deal with it because "it's a rock show dude!"
    - rglover 4y ago
      > You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? No. That's what the back and the balcony (or your couch) are for. I actually take offense to this position because it's so counter-intuitive to the spirit of the music. It's a METAL show not a Steely Dan performance. If you can't handle that, stay home.
SkittyDog 4y ago
> To me the original Woodstock vibe was the peace and free love part of the 60s counterculture. peace and love is not a feeling you get from korn in those times You're not wrong about the difference in vibes. And there were plenty of other music festivals in the 90s that did feature lineups more akin to the original Woodstock... But those festivals were pretty small in comparison, because the main thrust of popular music had changed so drastically in the decades since the original. And attendance will ultimately limit the amount of money everyone can make--organizers, bands, vendors, drug dealers, etc. The money provides a strong motivation to cater to current popular tastes, because the festival has a bigger potential audience. And given how well-attended the festival turned out to be, I think it's safe to say that they were right... If only a couple of thousand people had turned up, that would be a different story.

giarc 4y ago

Woodstock 99 was more of a commercial endeavor and they booked the most popular acts of the time, which happened to be bands like Korn and Limp Bizkit unfortunately.

justinator 4y ago
I mean they also booked Guster, P-Funk, and Jewel - not exactly powderkegs for revolutions.

throwaway17_17 4y ago

Blind was released in 1994. The albums Follow the Leader (1998) and Issues (1999). Not really important, just clarifying to be pendantic.

pipeline_peak 4y ago
How could you possibly forget Life is Peachy?

boomboomsubban 4y ago

Both tried to get some of the largest bands of the counterculture, the sixties version of that had far more "peace and love" vibes. They could have done a new Woodstock where they went for reviving the hippy festival, but it was more profitable to go for relaunching the massive festival. Plus a billion hippy festivals exist.

sophacles 4y ago

Why wouldn't you book Korn (et al)? Woodstock 69 was a music festival for major rock headliners with a goal of making a pile of money & advertised using the zeitgeist of the time. Woodstock 99 was a music festival for major rock headliners with a goal of making a pile of money & advertised using nostalgia for the previous one.

baobabKoodaa 4y ago
- maverwa 4y ago
  To be fair, your suggestion that the person above thinks „making money justifies rape and death“ ist pretty far fetched. They basically said „if you want a big festival you book popular band“ and you said „so you thinks rape is okay?“. No that’s not what they said. Suggesting the thinks the result is „okay“ because they gave a - imho totally reasonable - explanation for a decision someone made some ~23 years ago is pretty disingenuous at least.
SkittyDog 4y ago
Your reply strikes me as snarky and rude. You could have phrased your comment differently, and made the exact same point, but without being disrespectful to everyone who has to read your reply. * https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Under "In Comments"... > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. ... > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. ... > Please don't post shallow dismissals...
- deleted 4y ago
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- nativespecies 4y ago
  You're really invoking the code of conduct for this completely benign reply? Get over yourself.

lostgame 4y ago

>> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock Pick one. You can’t have both. :P btw I am a huge fan of both Korn (they are the best-sounding act I have ever heard live, Daft Punk included) - and the psychedelic rock that is far more appropriate for such a festival, like MGMT, the Flaming Lips, Zeppelin, etc. I’m just saying even though they were popular ‘rock’ acts at the time, I’d argue actually that these bands fall closer to the ‘metal’ and ‘nu-metal’ genres. Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did.

rglover 4y ago
> >> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock. Pick one. You can’t have both. :P Exactly. > Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did. As one of the biggest rock bands in the world at the time should do. That's the point of a rock concert (especially a hard rock/metal show). Some level of chaos/destruction should be expected. I don't really understand where this notion that everything needs to be bubble-wrapped came from (that's partially a lie, as it clearly comes from culture getting too obsessed with safety combined with the loss of nuance). A few years back I was in the mosh pit at a Nine Inch Nails show and bumped into a girl (during this song [1]) who was standing right in the front at the middle. She gave me a dirty look and all I could think to shout was "you're in the front row at a f*cking Nine Inch Nails concert." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkBmJGGwdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkBmJGGwdA
- vlunkr 4y ago
  You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? I love rock concerts, but I'll find somewhere relatively calm to watch from. I paid money to watch and listen to a band play, not to act like a maniac. A small percentage of the crowd actually wants to participate in a mosh pit, everyone else has to deal with it because "it's a rock show dude!"
  - rglover 4y ago
    > You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? No. That's what the back and the balcony (or your couch) are for. I actually take offense to this position because it's so counter-intuitive to the spirit of the music. It's a METAL show not a Steely Dan performance. If you can't handle that, stay home.

SkittyDog 4y ago

> To me the original Woodstock vibe was the peace and free love part of the 60s counterculture. peace and love is not a feeling you get from korn in those times You're not wrong about the difference in vibes. And there were plenty of other music festivals in the 90s that did feature lineups more akin to the original Woodstock... But those festivals were pretty small in comparison, because the main thrust of popular music had changed so drastically in the decades since the original. And attendance will ultimately limit the amount of money everyone can make--organizers, bands, vendors, drug dealers, etc. The money provides a strong motivation to cater to current popular tastes, because the festival has a bigger potential audience. And given how well-attended the festival turned out to be, I think it's safe to say that they were right... If only a couple of thousand people had turned up, that would be a different story.