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I'd just wish for an arm64 laptop that isn't made by Apple. Software development is getting more and more relevant on arm, and using native tools is way better

I'd just wish for an arm64 laptop that isn't made by Apple. Software development is getting more and more relevant on arm, and using native tools is way better than cross-compiling. OLED is pretty cool though.

candiddevmike 4y ago
Pinebook Pro meets your criteria but I think you'd find it too slow. So you want an arm64 laptop that's also fast and with a decent amount of memory. I wonder if we're at the point yet where I can use my phone with a foldable screen and keyboard as a workstation.
- piaste 4y ago
  Didn't Samsung use to sell a docking station for phones? Whatever happened to it? With so much applications moving to the web (eg. gitpod), even an Android phone would make for a suitable desktop.
vips7L 4y ago
Lenovo just launched the Thinkpad X13s with an ARM CPU. My only issue with it is that it's fanless: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13s-(13-inch-snapdragon)/len101t0019 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Sadly, Qualcom's performance is still laughable compared to Apple's M1. You can get a Macbook air for around the same price that runs twice as fast (and probably has better speakers). If you intend to run Windows, you'll also run into slower x64 applications more often than with a Mac. I'm really not sure what the advantage would be for picking a Qualcom processor over getting an i3 or lower end AMD APU. Someone really needs to step up ARM processor design because no matter how much I detest Apple's business practices, I can't deny that their ARM chip is far superior to the rest of the market.
  - bogwog 4y ago
    > Someone really needs to step up ARM processor design because no matter how much I detest Apple's business practices, I can't deny that their ARM chip is far superior to the rest of the market Never going to happen unless regulators do something about Qualcomm's monopoly. Apple is pretty much the only company with the resources to fight them, yet they still can't get away from Qualcomm parts even in their latest iPhones. If it wasn't for Qualcomm, I think powerful ARM workstations would've arrived much, much sooner (among other innovations). But of course, monopolies are an enemy of innovation. EDIT: Okay, "never" may be an exaggeration, but if it's going to happen, it's going to happen on Qualcomm's schedule, not the free market's.
    - Dracophoenix 4y ago
      > Never going to happen unless regulators do something about Qualcomm's monopoly. Apple is pretty much the only company with the resources to fight them, yet they still can't get away from Qualcomm parts even in their latest iPhones. The regulators would be hard-pressed as they have nothing to regulate. Qualcomm doesn't have a monopoly on the ARM ISA. Samsung, Mediatek, Fujitsu, Intel, Nvidia, AMD, etc. all have licenses. Even Microsoft and Google have designed their own ARM processors. Qualcomm has nothing to do with ARM aside from being a licensee itself. Apple's contentions with Qualcomm center on, inter alia Qualcomm's already awarded patents on cellular modems and the licensing fees it charges Apple. > If it wasn't for Qualcomm, I think powerful ARM workstations would've arrived much, much sooner (among other innovations). But of course, monopolies are an enemy of innovation. Intel already tried with StrongARM/XScale to little noteworthy success. Nvidia has achieved limited success with Tegra, but mainly in automotive dashboards and their Shield boxes. All of this is the free market at work. Qualcomm isn't necessary for ARM laptops to fail and his historically had little to do with it.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, hope they release good cores.
  - vips7L 4y ago
    IIRC while it does under perform apples CPU’s it performed as well as intel’s mobile i5’s
weberer 4y ago
Like half the Chromebooks out there have ARM processors.

candiddevmike 4y ago

Pinebook Pro meets your criteria but I think you'd find it too slow. So you want an arm64 laptop that's also fast and with a decent amount of memory. I wonder if we're at the point yet where I can use my phone with a foldable screen and keyboard as a workstation.

piaste 4y ago
Didn't Samsung use to sell a docking station for phones? Whatever happened to it? With so much applications moving to the web (eg. gitpod), even an Android phone would make for a suitable desktop.

vips7L 4y ago

Lenovo just launched the Thinkpad X13s with an ARM CPU. My only issue with it is that it's fanless: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/thinkpad-x13s-(13-inch-snapdragon)/len101t0019 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/th...

jeroenhd 4y ago
Sadly, Qualcom's performance is still laughable compared to Apple's M1. You can get a Macbook air for around the same price that runs twice as fast (and probably has better speakers). If you intend to run Windows, you'll also run into slower x64 applications more often than with a Mac. I'm really not sure what the advantage would be for picking a Qualcom processor over getting an i3 or lower end AMD APU. Someone really needs to step up ARM processor design because no matter how much I detest Apple's business practices, I can't deny that their ARM chip is far superior to the rest of the market.
- bogwog 4y ago
  > Someone really needs to step up ARM processor design because no matter how much I detest Apple's business practices, I can't deny that their ARM chip is far superior to the rest of the market Never going to happen unless regulators do something about Qualcomm's monopoly. Apple is pretty much the only company with the resources to fight them, yet they still can't get away from Qualcomm parts even in their latest iPhones. If it wasn't for Qualcomm, I think powerful ARM workstations would've arrived much, much sooner (among other innovations). But of course, monopolies are an enemy of innovation. EDIT: Okay, "never" may be an exaggeration, but if it's going to happen, it's going to happen on Qualcomm's schedule, not the free market's.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    > Never going to happen unless regulators do something about Qualcomm's monopoly. Apple is pretty much the only company with the resources to fight them, yet they still can't get away from Qualcomm parts even in their latest iPhones. The regulators would be hard-pressed as they have nothing to regulate. Qualcomm doesn't have a monopoly on the ARM ISA. Samsung, Mediatek, Fujitsu, Intel, Nvidia, AMD, etc. all have licenses. Even Microsoft and Google have designed their own ARM processors. Qualcomm has nothing to do with ARM aside from being a licensee itself. Apple's contentions with Qualcomm center on, inter alia Qualcomm's already awarded patents on cellular modems and the licensing fees it charges Apple. > If it wasn't for Qualcomm, I think powerful ARM workstations would've arrived much, much sooner (among other innovations). But of course, monopolies are an enemy of innovation. Intel already tried with StrongARM/XScale to little noteworthy success. Nvidia has achieved limited success with Tegra, but mainly in automotive dashboards and their Shield boxes. All of this is the free market at work. Qualcomm isn't necessary for ARM laptops to fail and his historically had little to do with it.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, hope they release good cores.
- vips7L 4y ago
  IIRC while it does under perform apples CPU’s it performed as well as intel’s mobile i5’s

weberer 4y ago

Like half the Chromebooks out there have ARM processors.