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Look at Vienna's Gemeindebau for a counterexample. It's high quality public housing where classes mingle. Two thirds of Vienna lives in public housing and the

Look at Vienna's Gemeindebau for a counterexample. It's high quality public housing where classes mingle. Two thirds of Vienna lives in public housing and the City of Vienna is the largest landlord in Europe. [0] It is, probably on a related note, also the city with the highest quality of live in the world for as long as I can remember. [1] [0] https://www.politico.eu/article/vienna-social-housing-architecture-austria-stigma/ https://www.politico.eu/article/vienna-social-housing-archit... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/23/vienna-named-worlds-top-city-for-quality-of-life https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/23/vienna-name...

anovikov 4y ago
That one is super easy! That "renting" is actually, a form of ownership where you "own" the rental contract. It's impossible to get in for a new person without decades of waiting, if ever - because there is no free lunch, if rent is many times lower than market rate, there will be a queue (or gatekeepers from who you simply buy your place in the queue). It's not a solution, just a way to keep outsiders out not too dissimilar to redlining: probably if you grandfather wasn't born in the same city, it's all but impossible to get in.
- malermeister 4y ago
  I'm not sure what you're talking about with your ownership point. Renting is renting, and of course you're a party to the rental contract. Vienna is constantly building new Social housing and new people get in all the time. To your grandfather point: A third of people living there weren't even born in Austria, so it's not really a generational thing like you misrepresent it to be https://www.diepresse.com/69243/migration-gemeindebau-ein-drittel-neo-oesterreicher https://www.diepresse.com/69243/migration-gemeindebau-ein-dr... (in German, use Google translate) Good things can happen if we let them.

anovikov 4y ago

That one is super easy! That "renting" is actually, a form of ownership where you "own" the rental contract. It's impossible to get in for a new person without decades of waiting, if ever - because there is no free lunch, if rent is many times lower than market rate, there will be a queue (or gatekeepers from who you simply buy your place in the queue). It's not a solution, just a way to keep outsiders out not too dissimilar to redlining: probably if you grandfather wasn't born in the same city, it's all but impossible to get in.

malermeister 4y ago
I'm not sure what you're talking about with your ownership point. Renting is renting, and of course you're a party to the rental contract. Vienna is constantly building new Social housing and new people get in all the time. To your grandfather point: A third of people living there weren't even born in Austria, so it's not really a generational thing like you misrepresent it to be https://www.diepresse.com/69243/migration-gemeindebau-ein-drittel-neo-oesterreicher https://www.diepresse.com/69243/migration-gemeindebau-ein-dr... (in German, use Google translate) Good things can happen if we let them.