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I had a feeling this was gonna be about 3D Touch just from seeing the title. It was definitely one of my favorite features, and Force Touch isn't a drop-in rep

by avnigo 4y ago

I had a feeling this was gonna be about 3D Touch just from seeing the title. It was definitely one of my favorite features, and Force Touch isn't a drop-in replacement. With 3D Touch anywhere on the keyboard, you could apply pressure to start moving the caret (text cursor) around, but what was even more useful was being able to apply a little bit more pressure to start selecting text with incredible precision. With Force Touch, you can long press on the space bar till you get haptic feedback, then you can move the caret around freely. However, if you want to select text, you need to use a second finger on the keyboard after you start moving the caret around, but honestly it's an absolute mess to use; try it out, I can guarantee you won't be able to select what you were planning on. However, as much as I miss it every time I fail to accurately select text on iOS, I don't mourn its loss. Force Touch is adequate. It's just not a replacement, and seems a shame it was probably removed to reduce costs and hardware complexity, all at the cost of regression.

mike_pol 4y ago
I was sure it was going to be about it as well! 3D touch was a really cool feature. I also find now that it’s a lot easier to activate the flashlight or camera on the Lock Screen since they are not ‘buttons’ any more
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  Every time I unlock my phone I’m reminded that the stupid flashlight button can’t be turned off. The 3 times this year I’ve needed to use my flashlight are not worth the 20+ times it’s been accidentally running in my pocket because I held the wrong corner while pocketing my phone. Plus it’s in control centre anyway If you need it fast.
  - D13Fd 4y ago
    Wow I don’t agree at all. I use the flashlight all of the time, and I rarely if ever activate it accidentally. I actually used to hit it accidentally more often when it was a 3D touch button rather than a delay-based button.
    - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
      I just don’t believe how that would be possible considering they both require holding the same corner just one pressing harder. I just want a way to completely remove it for the majority of us who are not wandering around in pitch black.
  - jader201 4y ago
    I think I’ve unintentionally trained myself to hold the phone on it’s sides when pocketing it, for this reason, now that you mention it. I don’t think I’ve ever had the flashlight accidentally left on (not in a long time, anyway).
dan-robertson 4y ago
I don’t know what you mean by force touch. Wasn’t that just Apple’s name for the action of pressing harder on 3D Touch devices?
- stefanfisk 4y ago
  The screen was actually presssure sensitive with a fair amount of precision. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch
  - DougBTX 4y ago
    Interesting, so there was a patent claim settled at the start of 2018 over this, and the iPhones released at the end of 2018 had the feature removed. I wonder how much of an impact that had, versus usability / weight / cost considerations.
- ClassyJacket 4y ago
  Yes, they meant to say Haptic Touch.
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- dan1234 4y ago
  IIRC: Force Touch is something supported by 2015+ MacBook trackpads (you can push harder to effectively middle-click something) and 3D Touch was the iPhone screen tech that did the same thing, which has been replaced with Haptic Touch (equivalent to Android's "long press").
jiehong 4y ago
Oh wow, I never knew this existed. It seems the selection can only grow and on both sides, which is the main problem. If they showed the cursor with a different color than the selected text, and if they shrink and grow the selection as you move, I think it could be pretty nice: select the starting point of the selection, and select only what’s in between the original cursor and the moving one. Alas it’s more like painting a selection at the moment, with an invisible brush.
- chazhaz 4y ago
  The problem here is that the “move left to expand left” and “move right to expand right” doesn’t map mentally to the way a cursor works. With a traditional cursor, it places an anchor wherever you’ve moused down and then drags the selection around that anchor. Whereas with Haptic Touch selection, there’s no anchor, so you find yourself selecting text you didn’t mean to. I’m sure that once you’ve gotten used to it, it’s a nice feature; but it’s not intuitive if you’re not accustomed to it (which seems to be the majority of folks).
  - pmontra 4y ago
    I enabled arrows keys on every single keyboard on the Android devices I owned. I use them to move the cursor and fix mistakes, usually by tapping and adjusting with the arrows. Faster than attempting to tap at the right spot. Are there no arrows on iOS keyboards?
- empyrrhicist 4y ago
  > Oh wow, I never knew this existed. iOS UI in a nutshell.
  - hobs 4y ago
    When I worked at Apple training people about the first iPhone generations they always said stuff like "it SHOULD be intuitive, we dont WANT a tutorial" I chuckled then, but add 15 years of changes on something and I don't know how that was ever going to be possible.
chaosbolt 4y ago
Force Touch would have been usable for me if I could just disable its vibration without having to disable it on the whole phone, I don't understand why they don't add special settings to do things like this. I hate that anytime I want to move the cursor and long press the space bar my phone has to vibrate.
- lttlrck 4y ago
  I'm curious, how did the haptic feedback that indicates that you've enabled the feature make it unusable? FWIW its replacement is the same in that respect.
  - chaosbolt 4y ago
    I hate notifications and talking on the phone, and after years I developed a pavlov reaction to it whenever my phone vibrates or makes a sound so I keep that at a minimum for important notifications, I used to love the samsung notification led but the iphone doesn't have that, so having a haptic feedback whenever I want to move the cursor (which is lots of times) makes me cringe.
mrtksn 4y ago
> However, as much as I miss it every time I fail to accurately select text on iOS, I don't mourn its loss Yes, it's slightly worse now but for a greater cause and the greater cause, IMHO, is the unified interaction model on mobile devices. If not all devices and apps are using it there's no reason to having it. In the Android world there are tons of exotic stuff, novel ideas and even "standards" that go nowhere unless Apple implements it. There is a magic in general availability. I think, if all Apple devices had it, it could have been possible to rely on its existence and build the UI with that assumption in mind. With just some devices having it, you need to have few versions of the UI to handle each case.
- someguydave 4y ago
  I too enjoy the removal of innovation and excellence in the quest for equality comrade
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    > I too enjoy the removal of innovation and excellence in the quest for equality comrade I think you misunderstood. This is not an argument for equality at all, the problem with patchy support is that few bother to implement features against because it costs time and money and as a result fades into usbcuirity. Having uniform platform is a very effective for innovations success. It makes sense for Apple and the developers to have the hardware based 3D touch with a software based alternative so that it can work on all devices the same way.
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- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > There is a magic in general availability. I think, if all Apple devices had it, it could have been possible to rely on its existence and build the UI with that assumption in mind. With just some devices having it, you need to have few versions of the UI to handle each case. The way you get there is by putting it into everything for several years. Cutting it after three is the opposite of working for that greater cause.
ace2358 4y ago
I’ve been so sad since upgrading my 6s about the loss of 3D Touch. I didn’t know that you can hold on the space bar now!!! Thank you for making me love my 13 mini even more now :):)
- scoot 4y ago
  It isn't the same though, since trying to move the cursor down moves your finger off the touch screen. You can only move it down one line at most, and not reliable.
  - skoskie 4y ago
    It's speed sensitive. I just tested in the notes app and was able to move down 6 lines moving slowly or 10 lines moving quickly.
    - scoot 4y ago
      You must have a device with 3D touch. That's physically impossible with a new iPhone using the space bar.
      - skoskie 4y ago
        No, it's a new iPhone 13 Pro.
- skoskie 4y ago
  > Oh you like the mini? Well we're taking that away next. – Apple
  - ace2358 4y ago
    Works for me. I tend to keep my phone for 5-7 years! I had a 4 -> 6s Plus -> 13 mini. Never been able to get the same size phone twice even if I wanted to.
wodenokoto 4y ago
> but what was even more useful was being able to apply a little bit more pressure to start selecting text with incredible precision. That is not how I remember it. I remember text being selected left and right at random for no apparent reason when trying to move the cursor.
- trebbble 4y ago
  Yeah—I'm a reasonably dextrous person, but had to disable 3d touch on iOS and whatever the fancy pressure thing is on recent macbook touchpads, to make them usable. Constant mistakes with either turned on.
voqv 4y ago
I will probably soon add an old 3D Touch iphone to my small Human Machine Interface hall of fame along with the old click wheel iPod Classic. They probably removed it because nobody was using it and they couldn't figure out how to teach people, while spending extra $ to add it into phones.
- empyrrhicist 4y ago
  As if they put any effort whatsoever into teaching or UI discoverability these days. If there was a tutorial app I would have used it, but I have repeatedly had to use Google to find unrelated blog sites describing how to accomplish things in the iOS interface. Cynically, it feels like they think everyone should already "just know" how the various gestures work, which is obnoxious and user hostile.
  - jhanschoo 4y ago
    As I understand it 3D touch's functionality per app depended on the app author, so the discoverability problem is not that simple.
  - everyone 4y ago
    As someone who only occasionally has to use macOS and iOS for work. The gestures and key combos required to do even the most basic things are insane.. and there is (almost) zero discoverability or affordances for them. On iOS gestures with multiple fingers, on macOS keyboard shortcuts with 3 or 4 keys. I also dont often use Linux, but I could try some new distro with a completely different windows manager I have never seen before and I can figure it out and be happily computing in no time. apple stuff always requiring searching on the internet to find out how how to do even most basic functions. Also, not relevant, but I gotta mention as it grinds my gears so bad.. The only reason I have to use macOS is that it's required to build to iOS, which is just uniquely egregious. That sort of business should actually be illegal. Hopefully it will be in EU soon.
    - gwright 4y ago
      > there is zero discoverability The shortcuts associated with menu items are shown in the menu item. I realize that there other discovery problems with keyboard shortcuts (on all platforms) but there is non-zero discoverability for "the most basic things" on Mac OS. Gesture discoverability is much closer to zero, IMHO.
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chaostheory 4y ago
I was wondering how and why text selection seemed to have gotten much worse. Now I know
nsxwolf 4y ago
I didn't even realize this is why the feature didn't work anymore. I thought I was doing something wrong. It's terrible. I find text selection and cursor placement on the iPhone to be infuriatingly difficult. The trackpad feature made it sooo easy. It was world class. Now it is just... gone? With no alternative?
- andnand 4y ago
  You just have to hold down on the spacebar and the trackpad will show up.
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    Still a far inferior replacement, and text selection still blows.
  - nsxwolf 4y ago
    Wow, thanks! Not as good as it was, but not bad.
gonehome 4y ago
Force touch and 3D touch are the same feature - they just called it 3D because “forced touching” had a bad sound to it. Currently it’s “long press”. I think they did this so they could remove the physical layer required for 3D Touch that took up space. The UX was better for the force sensor though, it was instant feedback based on user action and didn’t require a delay to detect.
bobbylarrybobby 4y ago
As long as you want to select entire words, just double tap and drag -- same as desktop to do word-based selection. And even if you don't want to do word-based selection, double tap is a good way to start selection and have the selection carets close to where you want them that you can easily manually adjust.
- vl 4y ago
  OMG, this is a game-changer. It makes selection so much easier then trying to position long-touch.
MasterScrat 4y ago
Interesting how this comment simply summarizes the post, adding no extra information. There's probably a way to make a lot of HN points just running a summarization model and posting the result as comment
- pessimizer 4y ago
  You could probably run something over the output summary to make it sound like commentary. A filter to make the comment seem "unsure" about the conclusions of the article, or one to make it express gratitude that the article was written.
happyopossum 4y ago
> Force Touch Force Touch was the same tech as 3D Touch, first introduced on the watch. It was rebranded for the iPhone when the pressure sensitivity stuff was added. It's current replacement is Haptic Touch.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Force Touch was the same tech as 3D Touch… "Both 3D Touch and Haptic Touch fall under the umbrella of Force Touch functionality. This is Apple's general name for its technology that lets input devices distinguish between different levels of pressure when you touch them." https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-force-touch-3d-touch-haptic-touch/ https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-force-touch-3d-touch-haptic-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch So, 3D Touch was one implementation of Force Touch.
NegativeLatency 4y ago
> it's an absolute mess to use No kidding I just managed to make it bug out and crash safari
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Neat, knew about the 3d caret placement for years but not the selection part. It doesn't seem to be incredible precision however, on mine you can only add one word at a time to the end of the selection. Better than I knew before, but not incredible. Would at least require letter by letter precision for that.
hinkley 4y ago
That feature is probably part of how I started having random bits of text just get deleted and typing start in the middle of a block of text. That behavior was very, very frustrating.
gofreddygo 4y ago
> you can long press on the space bar till you get haptic feedback, then you can move the caret around freely. However, if you want to select text, you need to use a second finger on the keyboard after you start moving the caret around Now how as a "user of apple products for 8 years" was I supposed to guess this ? Thank you ! You made my day !

by avnigo 4y ago

mike_pol 4y ago

I was sure it was going to be about it as well! 3D touch was a really cool feature. I also find now that it’s a lot easier to activate the flashlight or camera on the Lock Screen since they are not ‘buttons’ any more

whywhywhywhy 4y ago
Every time I unlock my phone I’m reminded that the stupid flashlight button can’t be turned off. The 3 times this year I’ve needed to use my flashlight are not worth the 20+ times it’s been accidentally running in my pocket because I held the wrong corner while pocketing my phone. Plus it’s in control centre anyway If you need it fast.
- D13Fd 4y ago
  Wow I don’t agree at all. I use the flashlight all of the time, and I rarely if ever activate it accidentally. I actually used to hit it accidentally more often when it was a 3D touch button rather than a delay-based button.
  - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
    I just don’t believe how that would be possible considering they both require holding the same corner just one pressing harder. I just want a way to completely remove it for the majority of us who are not wandering around in pitch black.
- jader201 4y ago
  I think I’ve unintentionally trained myself to hold the phone on it’s sides when pocketing it, for this reason, now that you mention it. I don’t think I’ve ever had the flashlight accidentally left on (not in a long time, anyway).

dan-robertson 4y ago

I don’t know what you mean by force touch. Wasn’t that just Apple’s name for the action of pressing harder on 3D Touch devices?

stefanfisk 4y ago
The screen was actually presssure sensitive with a fair amount of precision. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch
- DougBTX 4y ago
  Interesting, so there was a patent claim settled at the start of 2018 over this, and the iPhones released at the end of 2018 had the feature removed. I wonder how much of an impact that had, versus usability / weight / cost considerations.
ClassyJacket 4y ago
Yes, they meant to say Haptic Touch.
- deleted 4y ago
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dan1234 4y ago
IIRC: Force Touch is something supported by 2015+ MacBook trackpads (you can push harder to effectively middle-click something) and 3D Touch was the iPhone screen tech that did the same thing, which has been replaced with Haptic Touch (equivalent to Android's "long press").

jiehong 4y ago

Oh wow, I never knew this existed. It seems the selection can only grow and on both sides, which is the main problem. If they showed the cursor with a different color than the selected text, and if they shrink and grow the selection as you move, I think it could be pretty nice: select the starting point of the selection, and select only what’s in between the original cursor and the moving one. Alas it’s more like painting a selection at the moment, with an invisible brush.

chazhaz 4y ago
The problem here is that the “move left to expand left” and “move right to expand right” doesn’t map mentally to the way a cursor works. With a traditional cursor, it places an anchor wherever you’ve moused down and then drags the selection around that anchor. Whereas with Haptic Touch selection, there’s no anchor, so you find yourself selecting text you didn’t mean to. I’m sure that once you’ve gotten used to it, it’s a nice feature; but it’s not intuitive if you’re not accustomed to it (which seems to be the majority of folks).
- pmontra 4y ago
  I enabled arrows keys on every single keyboard on the Android devices I owned. I use them to move the cursor and fix mistakes, usually by tapping and adjusting with the arrows. Faster than attempting to tap at the right spot. Are there no arrows on iOS keyboards?
empyrrhicist 4y ago
> Oh wow, I never knew this existed. iOS UI in a nutshell.
- hobs 4y ago
  When I worked at Apple training people about the first iPhone generations they always said stuff like "it SHOULD be intuitive, we dont WANT a tutorial" I chuckled then, but add 15 years of changes on something and I don't know how that was ever going to be possible.

chaosbolt 4y ago

Force Touch would have been usable for me if I could just disable its vibration without having to disable it on the whole phone, I don't understand why they don't add special settings to do things like this. I hate that anytime I want to move the cursor and long press the space bar my phone has to vibrate.

lttlrck 4y ago
I'm curious, how did the haptic feedback that indicates that you've enabled the feature make it unusable? FWIW its replacement is the same in that respect.
- chaosbolt 4y ago
  I hate notifications and talking on the phone, and after years I developed a pavlov reaction to it whenever my phone vibrates or makes a sound so I keep that at a minimum for important notifications, I used to love the samsung notification led but the iphone doesn't have that, so having a haptic feedback whenever I want to move the cursor (which is lots of times) makes me cringe.

mrtksn 4y ago

> However, as much as I miss it every time I fail to accurately select text on iOS, I don't mourn its loss Yes, it's slightly worse now but for a greater cause and the greater cause, IMHO, is the unified interaction model on mobile devices. If not all devices and apps are using it there's no reason to having it. In the Android world there are tons of exotic stuff, novel ideas and even "standards" that go nowhere unless Apple implements it. There is a magic in general availability. I think, if all Apple devices had it, it could have been possible to rely on its existence and build the UI with that assumption in mind. With just some devices having it, you need to have few versions of the UI to handle each case.

someguydave 4y ago
I too enjoy the removal of innovation and excellence in the quest for equality comrade
- mrtksn 4y ago
  > I too enjoy the removal of innovation and excellence in the quest for equality comrade I think you misunderstood. This is not an argument for equality at all, the problem with patchy support is that few bother to implement features against because it costs time and money and as a result fades into usbcuirity. Having uniform platform is a very effective for innovations success. It makes sense for Apple and the developers to have the hardware based 3D touch with a software based alternative so that it can work on all devices the same way.
- deleted 4y ago
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Dylan16807 4y ago
> There is a magic in general availability. I think, if all Apple devices had it, it could have been possible to rely on its existence and build the UI with that assumption in mind. With just some devices having it, you need to have few versions of the UI to handle each case. The way you get there is by putting it into everything for several years. Cutting it after three is the opposite of working for that greater cause.

ace2358 4y ago

I’ve been so sad since upgrading my 6s about the loss of 3D Touch. I didn’t know that you can hold on the space bar now!!! Thank you for making me love my 13 mini even more now :):)

scoot 4y ago
It isn't the same though, since trying to move the cursor down moves your finger off the touch screen. You can only move it down one line at most, and not reliable.
- skoskie 4y ago
  It's speed sensitive. I just tested in the notes app and was able to move down 6 lines moving slowly or 10 lines moving quickly.
  - scoot 4y ago
    You must have a device with 3D touch. That's physically impossible with a new iPhone using the space bar.
    - skoskie 4y ago
      No, it's a new iPhone 13 Pro.
skoskie 4y ago
> Oh you like the mini? Well we're taking that away next. – Apple
- ace2358 4y ago
  Works for me. I tend to keep my phone for 5-7 years! I had a 4 -> 6s Plus -> 13 mini. Never been able to get the same size phone twice even if I wanted to.

wodenokoto 4y ago

> but what was even more useful was being able to apply a little bit more pressure to start selecting text with incredible precision. That is not how I remember it. I remember text being selected left and right at random for no apparent reason when trying to move the cursor.

trebbble 4y ago
Yeah—I'm a reasonably dextrous person, but had to disable 3d touch on iOS and whatever the fancy pressure thing is on recent macbook touchpads, to make them usable. Constant mistakes with either turned on.

voqv 4y ago

I will probably soon add an old 3D Touch iphone to my small Human Machine Interface hall of fame along with the old click wheel iPod Classic. They probably removed it because nobody was using it and they couldn't figure out how to teach people, while spending extra $ to add it into phones.

empyrrhicist 4y ago
As if they put any effort whatsoever into teaching or UI discoverability these days. If there was a tutorial app I would have used it, but I have repeatedly had to use Google to find unrelated blog sites describing how to accomplish things in the iOS interface. Cynically, it feels like they think everyone should already "just know" how the various gestures work, which is obnoxious and user hostile.
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  As I understand it 3D touch's functionality per app depended on the app author, so the discoverability problem is not that simple.
- everyone 4y ago
  As someone who only occasionally has to use macOS and iOS for work. The gestures and key combos required to do even the most basic things are insane.. and there is (almost) zero discoverability or affordances for them. On iOS gestures with multiple fingers, on macOS keyboard shortcuts with 3 or 4 keys. I also dont often use Linux, but I could try some new distro with a completely different windows manager I have never seen before and I can figure it out and be happily computing in no time. apple stuff always requiring searching on the internet to find out how how to do even most basic functions. Also, not relevant, but I gotta mention as it grinds my gears so bad.. The only reason I have to use macOS is that it's required to build to iOS, which is just uniquely egregious. That sort of business should actually be illegal. Hopefully it will be in EU soon.
  - gwright 4y ago
    > there is zero discoverability The shortcuts associated with menu items are shown in the menu item. I realize that there other discovery problems with keyboard shortcuts (on all platforms) but there is non-zero discoverability for "the most basic things" on Mac OS. Gesture discoverability is much closer to zero, IMHO.

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chaostheory 4y ago

I was wondering how and why text selection seemed to have gotten much worse. Now I know

nsxwolf 4y ago

I didn't even realize this is why the feature didn't work anymore. I thought I was doing something wrong. It's terrible. I find text selection and cursor placement on the iPhone to be infuriatingly difficult. The trackpad feature made it sooo easy. It was world class. Now it is just... gone? With no alternative?

andnand 4y ago
You just have to hold down on the spacebar and the trackpad will show up.
- jaywalk 4y ago
  Still a far inferior replacement, and text selection still blows.
- nsxwolf 4y ago
  Wow, thanks! Not as good as it was, but not bad.

gonehome 4y ago

Force touch and 3D touch are the same feature - they just called it 3D because “forced touching” had a bad sound to it. Currently it’s “long press”. I think they did this so they could remove the physical layer required for 3D Touch that took up space. The UX was better for the force sensor though, it was instant feedback based on user action and didn’t require a delay to detect.

bobbylarrybobby 4y ago

As long as you want to select entire words, just double tap and drag -- same as desktop to do word-based selection. And even if you don't want to do word-based selection, double tap is a good way to start selection and have the selection carets close to where you want them that you can easily manually adjust.

vl 4y ago
OMG, this is a game-changer. It makes selection so much easier then trying to position long-touch.

MasterScrat 4y ago

Interesting how this comment simply summarizes the post, adding no extra information. There's probably a way to make a lot of HN points just running a summarization model and posting the result as comment

pessimizer 4y ago
You could probably run something over the output summary to make it sound like commentary. A filter to make the comment seem "unsure" about the conclusions of the article, or one to make it express gratitude that the article was written.

happyopossum 4y ago

> Force Touch Force Touch was the same tech as 3D Touch, first introduced on the watch. It was rebranded for the iPhone when the pressure sensitivity stuff was added. It's current replacement is Haptic Touch.

CharlesW 4y ago
> Force Touch was the same tech as 3D Touch… "Both 3D Touch and Haptic Touch fall under the umbrella of Force Touch functionality. This is Apple's general name for its technology that lets input devices distinguish between different levels of pressure when you touch them." https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-force-touch-3d-touch-haptic-touch/ https://www.makeuseof.com/apple-force-touch-3d-touch-haptic-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch So, 3D Touch was one implementation of Force Touch.

NegativeLatency 4y ago

> it's an absolute mess to use No kidding I just managed to make it bug out and crash safari

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Neat, knew about the 3d caret placement for years but not the selection part. It doesn't seem to be incredible precision however, on mine you can only add one word at a time to the end of the selection. Better than I knew before, but not incredible. Would at least require letter by letter precision for that.

hinkley 4y ago

That feature is probably part of how I started having random bits of text just get deleted and typing start in the middle of a block of text. That behavior was very, very frustrating.

gofreddygo 4y ago

> you can long press on the space bar till you get haptic feedback, then you can move the caret around freely. However, if you want to select text, you need to use a second finger on the keyboard after you start moving the caret around Now how as a "user of apple products for 8 years" was I supposed to guess this ? Thank you ! You made my day !