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In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint C

In case you are serious about understanding why it was pulled out and really care about the details for such an action, I highly recommend you check the Joint Committee on the Personal Data Protection report [1] the Press Release section where they released the 534 pages report on it. Gist of it is - the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act so the IT Ministry would rework the bill and present it for discussion again in the parliament. I know India looks like a lawless place because of the chaotic news coverage in the NYtimes but it is a democracy and most if not all government action have rational policy choices that presented in the Indian parliament. The loksabha proceedings (especially the question hour) is the best way to understand what goes on in India. Edit: For those without a lot of time should check the point by point explanation and rebuttal for the recommendations here [2] 1. http://loksabhaph.nic.in/Committee/CommitteeInformation.aspx?comm_code=73&tab=5 http://loksabhaph.nic.in/Committee/CommitteeInformation.aspx... 2. https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-PDP-Referencer.pdf https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-P...

donedealomg 4y ago
eatonphil 4y ago
Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? To be fair I can't think of any specific sites like that I follow for US law/policy news, just a variety of people on Twitter.
- felixg3 4y ago
  Economic Political & Weekly, caravanmagazine.in, restofworld.org
  - eatonphil 4y ago
    Thanks! I've followed restofworld.org for a year now and it's a really fantastic site, great mission. However their scope is extremely broad: "Everything in developing economies for Americans", basically.
    - woweoe 4y ago
      I think caravan might be extremely left wing though.
      - felixg3 4y ago
        Not really, I would consider them a broader opposition to the current regime
- mynameismon 4y ago
  > Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? https://www.livelaw.in https://www.livelaw.in is a pretty good one, it is usually very upto date and accurate.
- kobiguru 4y ago
  live Law is a legal news website and not really a policy site so is the others mentioned in the thread. Vidhi is a legal policy think tank based. They did a point by point break down of recommendations of JPC and explanation you can check it here [1] https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/research/referencer-on-the-jpcs-recommendations-for-the-personal-data-protection-bill-2019/ https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/research/referencer-on-the-jpcs-...
- pvsukale3 4y ago
  https://prsindia.org/ https://prsindia.org/
- alephnerd 4y ago
  India is a diverse country with diversity within both the federal level and the state level. I have listed a subset of sources I and friends of mine from Indian policy backgrounds (IAS, IPS, MHA, etc) tended to trust. This is not a complete list, and shows my own regional biases. Feel free to AMA me or discuss additional recommendations in this thread. I don't get much of an opportunity to discuss Social Sciences since I switched careers to the Tech world. edit: I will not dignify any flame-bait conversations. I will chat with people from any political camp, but only if they chat in a non-combative manner. ====================== General Journalism: Most newspapers and news media channels in India are owned by Oligarchs supporting one party or the other. The only Indian newspaper I've personally trusted is The Tribune (https://www.tribuneindia.com/ https://www.tribuneindia.com/) due to it's being owned by a non-profit foundation with a perpetual endowment created by a banking magnate back in the late 19th century. ====================== Long Form Journalism: The Caravan - https://caravanmagazine.in/ https://caravanmagazine.in/ Has a bit of a center-left and progressive leaning, but pretty well investigated and written articles. The Print - https://theprint.in/ https://theprint.in/ Has a bit of a center-right leaning, but strong informed articles on Indian Defence Policy and Developmental News (I think they have some ex-MoD and IAS beats). The Wire - https://thewire.in/ https://thewire.in/ Has a center-left leaning, but a good source for articles on the negative ground realities that exist in various different regions of South Asia. Also surprisingly strong at Indian Foreign Policy (I think they have some ex-MEA beats) Himal Magazine - https://www.himalmag.com/ https://www.himalmag.com/ Has a center-left and progressive leaning, but a strong source on the anthropological and sociological aspects of South Asian studies. Swarajya - https://swarajyamag.com/ https://swarajyamag.com/ Has a center-right to far right leaning, but a strong source to understand BJP and Hinduvta politics from their perspective. Outlook India - https://www.outlookindia.com/ https://www.outlookindia.com/ Good long form journalism and analysis. Haven't noticed much bias one way or the other as they tend to publish ideologues from all spectrums of Indian politics. ====================== Public Policy Think Tanks and Journals: Observer Research Foundation - https://www.orfonline.org/ https://www.orfonline.org/ Amazing articles and papers on South Asian Foreign Policy and Developmental Economics. Centrist/Institutionalist bias as it is staffed by ex-IAS and policymaker types Carnegie India Foundation - https://carnegieindia.org/ https://carnegieindia.org/ Similar as ORF, but with a stronger bias towards IR. Economic and Political Weekly - https://www.epw.in/ https://www.epw.in/ One of the premier Indian Social Sciences journals. Very strong articles on South Asian social sciences in general. Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy - https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/ https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/ Amazing organization working on legal policy analysis in India. Very easy to read for those who are not from a legal background Centre de Sciences Humaines Delhi - https://www.csh-delhi.com/ https://www.csh-delhi.com/ Strong research on developmental economics and regional socio-political dynamics in South Asia. The Diplomat - https://thediplomat.com/ https://thediplomat.com/ Probably the best foreign policy magazine in the APAC region. Well researched and a diverse amount of voices from all sides of the political spectrum Lowy Institute - https://www.lowyinstitute.org/ https://www.lowyinstitute.org/ Probably the best APAC foreign policy think tank. It's essentially Brookings Level
potamic 4y ago
> the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act This bill was under discussion for 3 years. Every year the JCP keeps proposing new and different changes. After all this if you have 81/99 amendments, you have to question if it is nitpicking and stalling, especially when you have things like the Finance Bill and Farm Bill that get passed in record time. This seems like a political decision more than anything. There is also the fact that the industry does not like this bill at all, there are some powerful corporations who entered the digital consumer space recently and would be seriously inconvenienced by this move.
- kobiguru 4y ago
  Not everything is political. I can tell you this because I work with many of indian government departments very closely. The reservations JPC highlighted will be studied and after consultation with stakeholders it will tabled again. FYI - The committee chairman and the IT Minister are from the same political party yet they disagreed and bill got pulled. Here is a good premier on the JPC Recommendation [1] https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-PDP-Referencer.pdf https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-P...
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    Are these new concerns or concerns that arose during the preceding 3 years of discussions that remained unaddressed?
krageon 4y ago
"It is a democracy" doesn't mean that it isn't also a frequently irrational cesspit. That doesn't necessarily mean it's any worse than at least two other superpowers, but it does mean it's not good. It's not due to the NYTimes coverage that the country seems the way it does, it's the exported culture (i.e. it is the face of IT-related international crime) and the types of incidents that can be found there (closing off an entire province full of normal people just because some of them do things you don't like is strictly barbaric, for example).
- naruvimama 4y ago
anuraj 4y ago
While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.
- TheArcane 4y ago
  A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.
  - woweoe 4y ago
    Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things
    - rajup 4y ago
      Unless you support the minority party in which case democracy is definitely not working and/or the voters for the majority party are deluded ;)
    - ngcc_hk 4y ago
      Majority rule and minority rights are democracy. Otherwise once vote in everyone is save … might as well no democracy.
      - didibus 4y ago
        Thank you. The minority rights and individual rights are cornerstone, democracy does not mean majority act as Emperors. There has to be strong guaranteed equal rights to all individual and minorities that allows them equal opportunity and recourse. Its foundation is that all agree what we should all have as rights were we to ever find ourselves the minority, and those become the principles we cannot break and we owe to each individual to uphold. Beyond that, majority can decide, hopefully not stupidly and still considering minority's input, as any good leader should do, consider all data points relevant to best decision making.
venkat223 4y ago
They plan to bring very stringent bill to takeaway alldemocracy and freedom from the net.
LightG 4y ago
You've got to be joking ...
zepearl 4y ago
I glanced over [2] ( https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-PDP-Referencer.pdf https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-P... ) => right at the start it mentions this: The Committee observes that it is impossible to distinguish personal and non-personal data. Therefore... That sounds to me like a crazy statement for a new law that was in the process of being created since years?
haltingproblem 4y ago
India had universal suffrage in 1950 and has deep parliamentary traditions. India was a democracy before the US, France, UK, Spain and numerous other Western cradles of democracy. US got universal suffrage in 1965 (Voting Rights act). France was killing a million Algerians whom it ruled and were demanding self-determination in 1954-1962 and finally became colony free in 1977. UK was running concentration camps in Kenya in the 1960s and free of its last colony in the 1980 approaching something like Universal Suffrage. Spain was a dictatorship till 1979.

donedealomg 4y ago

eatonphil 4y ago

Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? To be fair I can't think of any specific sites like that I follow for US law/policy news, just a variety of people on Twitter.

felixg3 4y ago
Economic Political & Weekly, caravanmagazine.in, restofworld.org
- eatonphil 4y ago
  Thanks! I've followed restofworld.org for a year now and it's a really fantastic site, great mission. However their scope is extremely broad: "Everything in developing economies for Americans", basically.
  - woweoe 4y ago
    I think caravan might be extremely left wing though.
    - felixg3 4y ago
      Not really, I would consider them a broader opposition to the current regime
mynameismon 4y ago
> Are there any reputable Indian law/policy news sites or individuals who you (or anyone) might recommend following? https://www.livelaw.in https://www.livelaw.in is a pretty good one, it is usually very upto date and accurate.
kobiguru 4y ago
live Law is a legal news website and not really a policy site so is the others mentioned in the thread. Vidhi is a legal policy think tank based. They did a point by point break down of recommendations of JPC and explanation you can check it here [1] https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/research/referencer-on-the-jpcs-recommendations-for-the-personal-data-protection-bill-2019/ https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/research/referencer-on-the-jpcs-...
pvsukale3 4y ago
https://prsindia.org/ https://prsindia.org/
alephnerd 4y ago
India is a diverse country with diversity within both the federal level and the state level. I have listed a subset of sources I and friends of mine from Indian policy backgrounds (IAS, IPS, MHA, etc) tended to trust. This is not a complete list, and shows my own regional biases. Feel free to AMA me or discuss additional recommendations in this thread. I don't get much of an opportunity to discuss Social Sciences since I switched careers to the Tech world. edit: I will not dignify any flame-bait conversations. I will chat with people from any political camp, but only if they chat in a non-combative manner. ====================== General Journalism: Most newspapers and news media channels in India are owned by Oligarchs supporting one party or the other. The only Indian newspaper I've personally trusted is The Tribune (https://www.tribuneindia.com/ https://www.tribuneindia.com/) due to it's being owned by a non-profit foundation with a perpetual endowment created by a banking magnate back in the late 19th century. ====================== Long Form Journalism: The Caravan - https://caravanmagazine.in/ https://caravanmagazine.in/ Has a bit of a center-left and progressive leaning, but pretty well investigated and written articles. The Print - https://theprint.in/ https://theprint.in/ Has a bit of a center-right leaning, but strong informed articles on Indian Defence Policy and Developmental News (I think they have some ex-MoD and IAS beats). The Wire - https://thewire.in/ https://thewire.in/ Has a center-left leaning, but a good source for articles on the negative ground realities that exist in various different regions of South Asia. Also surprisingly strong at Indian Foreign Policy (I think they have some ex-MEA beats) Himal Magazine - https://www.himalmag.com/ https://www.himalmag.com/ Has a center-left and progressive leaning, but a strong source on the anthropological and sociological aspects of South Asian studies. Swarajya - https://swarajyamag.com/ https://swarajyamag.com/ Has a center-right to far right leaning, but a strong source to understand BJP and Hinduvta politics from their perspective. Outlook India - https://www.outlookindia.com/ https://www.outlookindia.com/ Good long form journalism and analysis. Haven't noticed much bias one way or the other as they tend to publish ideologues from all spectrums of Indian politics. ====================== Public Policy Think Tanks and Journals: Observer Research Foundation - https://www.orfonline.org/ https://www.orfonline.org/ Amazing articles and papers on South Asian Foreign Policy and Developmental Economics. Centrist/Institutionalist bias as it is staffed by ex-IAS and policymaker types Carnegie India Foundation - https://carnegieindia.org/ https://carnegieindia.org/ Similar as ORF, but with a stronger bias towards IR. Economic and Political Weekly - https://www.epw.in/ https://www.epw.in/ One of the premier Indian Social Sciences journals. Very strong articles on South Asian social sciences in general. Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy - https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/ https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/ Amazing organization working on legal policy analysis in India. Very easy to read for those who are not from a legal background Centre de Sciences Humaines Delhi - https://www.csh-delhi.com/ https://www.csh-delhi.com/ Strong research on developmental economics and regional socio-political dynamics in South Asia. The Diplomat - https://thediplomat.com/ https://thediplomat.com/ Probably the best foreign policy magazine in the APAC region. Well researched and a diverse amount of voices from all sides of the political spectrum Lowy Institute - https://www.lowyinstitute.org/ https://www.lowyinstitute.org/ Probably the best APAC foreign policy think tank. It's essentially Brookings Level

potamic 4y ago

> the committee recommended major changes across the board in all sections of the act This bill was under discussion for 3 years. Every year the JCP keeps proposing new and different changes. After all this if you have 81/99 amendments, you have to question if it is nitpicking and stalling, especially when you have things like the Finance Bill and Farm Bill that get passed in record time. This seems like a political decision more than anything. There is also the fact that the industry does not like this bill at all, there are some powerful corporations who entered the digital consumer space recently and would be seriously inconvenienced by this move.

kobiguru 4y ago
Not everything is political. I can tell you this because I work with many of indian government departments very closely. The reservations JPC highlighted will be studied and after consultation with stakeholders it will tabled again. FYI - The committee chairman and the IT Minister are from the same political party yet they disagreed and bill got pulled. Here is a good premier on the JPC Recommendation [1] https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-PDP-Referencer.pdf https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-P...
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Are these new concerns or concerns that arose during the preceding 3 years of discussions that remained unaddressed?

krageon 4y ago

"It is a democracy" doesn't mean that it isn't also a frequently irrational cesspit. That doesn't necessarily mean it's any worse than at least two other superpowers, but it does mean it's not good. It's not due to the NYTimes coverage that the country seems the way it does, it's the exported culture (i.e. it is the face of IT-related international crime) and the types of incidents that can be found there (closing off an entire province full of normal people just because some of them do things you don't like is strictly barbaric, for example).

naruvimama 4y ago

anuraj 4y ago

While that is true on rhetoric - on practice it is not. While 60% of bills went through parliamentary scrutiny prior to 2014 - the number today is just above 10%. Also Modi has the distinction of passing maximum bills without debate and bypassing the state senate altogether.

TheArcane 4y ago
A sad consequence of one political party having a majority in the parliament. Modi supporters tout it as a harbinger of efficiency bill passing when in reality it's just eroded democracy.
- woweoe 4y ago
  Having a majority in parliament is the normal way of doing things
  - rajup 4y ago
    Unless you support the minority party in which case democracy is definitely not working and/or the voters for the majority party are deluded ;)
  - ngcc_hk 4y ago
    Majority rule and minority rights are democracy. Otherwise once vote in everyone is save … might as well no democracy.
    - didibus 4y ago
      Thank you. The minority rights and individual rights are cornerstone, democracy does not mean majority act as Emperors. There has to be strong guaranteed equal rights to all individual and minorities that allows them equal opportunity and recourse. Its foundation is that all agree what we should all have as rights were we to ever find ourselves the minority, and those become the principles we cannot break and we owe to each individual to uphold. Beyond that, majority can decide, hopefully not stupidly and still considering minority's input, as any good leader should do, consider all data points relevant to best decision making.

venkat223 4y ago

They plan to bring very stringent bill to takeaway alldemocracy and freedom from the net.

LightG 4y ago

You've got to be joking ...

zepearl 4y ago

I glanced over [2] ( https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-PDP-Referencer.pdf https://vidhilegalpolicy.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/JPC-P... ) => right at the start it mentions this: The Committee observes that it is impossible to distinguish personal and non-personal data. Therefore... That sounds to me like a crazy statement for a new law that was in the process of being created since years?

haltingproblem 4y ago

India had universal suffrage in 1950 and has deep parliamentary traditions. India was a democracy before the US, France, UK, Spain and numerous other Western cradles of democracy. US got universal suffrage in 1965 (Voting Rights act). France was killing a million Algerians whom it ruled and were demanding self-determination in 1954-1962 and finally became colony free in 1977. UK was running concentration camps in Kenya in the 1960s and free of its last colony in the 1980 approaching something like Universal Suffrage. Spain was a dictatorship till 1979.