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Can we get a source for that? Because at the moment, it's just a comment made by a person on the internet with nothing backing it up...

bobsmooth 4y ago
The code's right there. Anyone want to try it out?
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sergiomattei 4y ago
It’s interesting how unsubstantiated allegations are getting so much attention, especially on a site with such high quality discussion.
- arikr 4y ago
  Much more likely: the upvotes are because many people have frustration at this type of thing, and limited places to channel their frustration, so when they see a post like this, they upvote it to express their frustration. Or maybe that’s just me..
  - sergiomattei 4y ago
    What type of thing? Asking for genuine curiosity.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      This particular issue was hit by my friend previously on copilot.
    - coffee_beqn 4y ago
      Verboten words that are completely commonplace and mundanely acceptable outside of a certain small but powerful bubble
      - eyelidlessness 4y ago
        I’m not aware of any such bubble which forbids the use of the word “gender”. Which bubble are you referring to? Disclaimer: I’m a queer non-binary leftist, and many of my community and loved ones are at least one of those. The closest thing to any “verboten” I’m aware of is “gender critical”, and as far as I can tell that’s mostly a term used by detractors in my own community, and even so it doesn’t reject usage of the term only usage of it distinguished from sex assigned at birth. The next most “verboten” I can think of is commonly referenced “wrong things programmers assume about ____” which generally offer no guidance other than not asking if you don’t need to know or offering open text input if you do, and in any case don’t represent a small powerful bubble of anything other than being a memorable link.
        Hnus 4y ago
        One of the possible explanations is maybe whenever you typed "gender" it suggested one of the two possibilities next to it or some kind of binary type which might be something github wants to avoid but I am just speculating.
        bobsmooth 4y ago
        >Which bubble are you referring to? Copilot, pretty clear from the context.
        eyelidlessness 4y ago
        Clear as mud, given the context.
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      This deserves a chance at getting a sincere answer, so I’ve upvoted it. I almost asked a similar question on another thread, but backed out. There seems to be a lot of inference going on in other comments about what any commenter finds frustrating or otherwise confounding, but I think it would be good for the discussion to eliminate some of that inference.
    - Hnus 4y ago
      You can google "controversy" around Spanish word for black while trying to somehow imagine you are reading about it from culture/country which is not as much influenced by US culture as other countries with good English proficiency or even completely unaware of it while being taught from your childhood to treat everyone as an individual and actually truly believing it. Then while reading about it you might sort of get feel for "that type of thing". For some time I collected sources to things as the linked github issue but I had to stop as it made me unhappy now I try to ignore it and hope that I am no longer there when that type of thing hits my city.
  - mhhhhhhh 4y ago
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    - kodah 4y ago
      I see this kind of questioning pop up when someone states that something bothers them and someone else deeply disagrees. Is there a name for this kind of questioning of someones foundational feelings about something, as if to allude in every question that it's purely wrong to feel that way?
      - axedwool 4y ago
        Gaslighting.
      - t-3 4y ago
  - 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
    It's also an interesting tidbit for people that have not used copilot. It's like a fluff piece. Present something weird that is also easily verifiable. If you are having a bit of a break and are using copilot you can try out a few things and post answers. And now we have independent verification (unless you think all these usernames are just lying) and some interesting bits of info about copilot.
- bsuvc 4y ago
  Why? Are you unable to believe someone might think differently than you do, without it being explained away as "artificial voting"? Edit to add: Nice, they edited their comment. Previously it accused HN of having an artificial voting conspiracy. So that is what my comment was about. I will not edit my original comment above.
  - sergiomattei 4y ago
    > It’s just interesting how unsubstantiated allegations are getting so much attention Why make it about my opinions?
    - bsuvc 4y ago
      Who are you quoting? I didn't say that.
  - mhhhhhhh 4y ago
    They made an unsubstantiated allegation about an unsubstantiated allegation. The allegation was upvoted, the allegation about the allegation was downvoted. Surely you understand how silly that is?
    - sergiomattei 4y ago
      You’re right, edited.
    - kodah 4y ago
      Just making a note here, the answer was approved by Dave Cheney. If you're unfamiliar with him: https://dave.cheney.net/ https://dave.cheney.net/ He works for GitHub.
- blackoil 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  It looks like several commenters have been able to reproduce the problem, so in that sense I guess it's substantiated? If people were trying to reproduce it and failing, I agree with you that would be a different story.
  - sergiomattei 4y ago
    The allegation is the root cause, not the problem itself.
    - nonethewiser 4y ago
      It's in a list of censored words that were leaked a while ago. It's not really a mystery. I guess if it's not explicitly censored then its just a bug that Microsoft can fix.
      - magicalist 4y ago
        "censored"
_zllx 4y ago
I added "gender" (an IANA registered JWT claim) to my JWT payload schema and found Copilot will not provide any suggestions after that. Not on the same line, nor in the rest of the file. After removing the word gender entirely, it works again. https://www.iana.org/assignments/jwt/jwt.xhtml https://www.iana.org/assignments/jwt/jwt.xhtml
- stolen_biscuit 4y ago
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  - monkeywork 4y ago
    Are you being intentionally obtuse? You were told step by step if you disbelieve run the test independently and verify...
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  - wfme 4y ago
    Which part of the smell test does this not pass exactly? They just described almost identical behaviour but with an isolated test case. Yeah there’s no video or whatever but it does support the original diagnosis.
  - czbond 4y ago
    They're giving you a method of repeatable steps for you, yourself, to perform to see if the issue is encountered. That is more than passing a smell test.... that passes for at the minimum of a valid bug report.
  - _zllx 4y ago
    I'm using typebox to validate my JWT payloads in an app I'm working on. Someone showed me this thread while I was working, so I gave it a shot: export const CLAIM_PAYLOAD_SCHEMA = Type.Object({ "iss": Type.Literal("my-app"), "exp": Type.Integer(), "sub": Type.String(), "name": Type.String(), "priv": Type.Integer({minimum:0, maximum: Privileges.All}), "gender": Type. // No completion is available. Additionally, I get "No completion is available." from copilot.el on every line after that one, but completing on lines before it does work. When removing "gender", it works again, e.g. suggesting `"iat": Type.Integer()` for that line. I don't actually plan on using "gender" in my tokens, but it is a bit frustrating that an arbitrary word can opaquely disable Copilot for the rest of the file.
readyplayeremma 4y ago
So, I tested this locally and for the first time, immediately after using a variable named “gender”, it stopped suggesting. I wonder if this is to prevent it from accidentally processing PII or PHI data. Maybe someone else who didn’t get their account on some kind of cooldown can try it with “birthdate” or “DOB” or “SSN”. I highly doubt this has anything to do with gender being a controversial or blocked term for political reasons or something.
- akomtu 4y ago
  A twitter post above says that Copilot also blacklisted words "communism" and "socialism".
diego 4y ago
I just tried Copilot with VS Code and python for the first time. If I define a function with some parameter name, I get suggestions as I type the body. I change the parameter name to gender, no suggestions. I change one letter in the parameter name (gendes, gander), I get suggestions again. There clearly is some code that gets activated when it sees the word "gender".
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
Someone on Twitter reverse engineered an earlier version of the list https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1433254293352730628 https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1433254293352730628 and the list linked somewhere in that thread contains "gender" (see https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=32339001 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=32339001 for direct links).

bobsmooth 4y ago

The code's right there. Anyone want to try it out?

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sergiomattei 4y ago

It’s interesting how unsubstantiated allegations are getting so much attention, especially on a site with such high quality discussion.

arikr 4y ago
Much more likely: the upvotes are because many people have frustration at this type of thing, and limited places to channel their frustration, so when they see a post like this, they upvote it to express their frustration. Or maybe that’s just me..
- sergiomattei 4y ago
  What type of thing? Asking for genuine curiosity.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    This particular issue was hit by my friend previously on copilot.
  - coffee_beqn 4y ago
    Verboten words that are completely commonplace and mundanely acceptable outside of a certain small but powerful bubble
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      I’m not aware of any such bubble which forbids the use of the word “gender”. Which bubble are you referring to? Disclaimer: I’m a queer non-binary leftist, and many of my community and loved ones are at least one of those. The closest thing to any “verboten” I’m aware of is “gender critical”, and as far as I can tell that’s mostly a term used by detractors in my own community, and even so it doesn’t reject usage of the term only usage of it distinguished from sex assigned at birth. The next most “verboten” I can think of is commonly referenced “wrong things programmers assume about ____” which generally offer no guidance other than not asking if you don’t need to know or offering open text input if you do, and in any case don’t represent a small powerful bubble of anything other than being a memorable link.
      - Hnus 4y ago
        One of the possible explanations is maybe whenever you typed "gender" it suggested one of the two possibilities next to it or some kind of binary type which might be something github wants to avoid but I am just speculating.
      - bobsmooth 4y ago
        >Which bubble are you referring to? Copilot, pretty clear from the context.
        eyelidlessness 4y ago
        Clear as mud, given the context.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    This deserves a chance at getting a sincere answer, so I’ve upvoted it. I almost asked a similar question on another thread, but backed out. There seems to be a lot of inference going on in other comments about what any commenter finds frustrating or otherwise confounding, but I think it would be good for the discussion to eliminate some of that inference.
  - Hnus 4y ago
    You can google "controversy" around Spanish word for black while trying to somehow imagine you are reading about it from culture/country which is not as much influenced by US culture as other countries with good English proficiency or even completely unaware of it while being taught from your childhood to treat everyone as an individual and actually truly believing it. Then while reading about it you might sort of get feel for "that type of thing". For some time I collected sources to things as the linked github issue but I had to stop as it made me unhappy now I try to ignore it and hope that I am no longer there when that type of thing hits my city.
- mhhhhhhh 4y ago
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - kodah 4y ago
    I see this kind of questioning pop up when someone states that something bothers them and someone else deeply disagrees. Is there a name for this kind of questioning of someones foundational feelings about something, as if to allude in every question that it's purely wrong to feel that way?
    - axedwool 4y ago
      Gaslighting.
    - t-3 4y ago
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  It's also an interesting tidbit for people that have not used copilot. It's like a fluff piece. Present something weird that is also easily verifiable. If you are having a bit of a break and are using copilot you can try out a few things and post answers. And now we have independent verification (unless you think all these usernames are just lying) and some interesting bits of info about copilot.
bsuvc 4y ago
Why? Are you unable to believe someone might think differently than you do, without it being explained away as "artificial voting"? Edit to add: Nice, they edited their comment. Previously it accused HN of having an artificial voting conspiracy. So that is what my comment was about. I will not edit my original comment above.
- sergiomattei 4y ago
  > It’s just interesting how unsubstantiated allegations are getting so much attention Why make it about my opinions?
  - bsuvc 4y ago
    Who are you quoting? I didn't say that.
- mhhhhhhh 4y ago
  They made an unsubstantiated allegation about an unsubstantiated allegation. The allegation was upvoted, the allegation about the allegation was downvoted. Surely you understand how silly that is?
  - sergiomattei 4y ago
    You’re right, edited.
  - kodah 4y ago
    Just making a note here, the answer was approved by Dave Cheney. If you're unfamiliar with him: https://dave.cheney.net/ https://dave.cheney.net/ He works for GitHub.
blackoil 4y ago
- foxes 4y ago
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dang 4y ago
It looks like several commenters have been able to reproduce the problem, so in that sense I guess it's substantiated? If people were trying to reproduce it and failing, I agree with you that would be a different story.
- sergiomattei 4y ago
  The allegation is the root cause, not the problem itself.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    It's in a list of censored words that were leaked a while ago. It's not really a mystery. I guess if it's not explicitly censored then its just a bug that Microsoft can fix.
    - magicalist 4y ago
      "censored"

_zllx 4y ago

I added "gender" (an IANA registered JWT claim) to my JWT payload schema and found Copilot will not provide any suggestions after that. Not on the same line, nor in the rest of the file. After removing the word gender entirely, it works again. https://www.iana.org/assignments/jwt/jwt.xhtml https://www.iana.org/assignments/jwt/jwt.xhtml

stolen_biscuit 4y ago
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- monkeywork 4y ago
  Are you being intentionally obtuse? You were told step by step if you disbelieve run the test independently and verify...
  - deleted 4y ago
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- wfme 4y ago
  Which part of the smell test does this not pass exactly? They just described almost identical behaviour but with an isolated test case. Yeah there’s no video or whatever but it does support the original diagnosis.
- czbond 4y ago
  They're giving you a method of repeatable steps for you, yourself, to perform to see if the issue is encountered. That is more than passing a smell test.... that passes for at the minimum of a valid bug report.
- _zllx 4y ago
  I'm using typebox to validate my JWT payloads in an app I'm working on. Someone showed me this thread while I was working, so I gave it a shot: export const CLAIM_PAYLOAD_SCHEMA = Type.Object({ "iss": Type.Literal("my-app"), "exp": Type.Integer(), "sub": Type.String(), "name": Type.String(), "priv": Type.Integer({minimum:0, maximum: Privileges.All}), "gender": Type. // No completion is available. Additionally, I get "No completion is available." from copilot.el on every line after that one, but completing on lines before it does work. When removing "gender", it works again, e.g. suggesting `"iat": Type.Integer()` for that line. I don't actually plan on using "gender" in my tokens, but it is a bit frustrating that an arbitrary word can opaquely disable Copilot for the rest of the file.

readyplayeremma 4y ago

So, I tested this locally and for the first time, immediately after using a variable named “gender”, it stopped suggesting. I wonder if this is to prevent it from accidentally processing PII or PHI data. Maybe someone else who didn’t get their account on some kind of cooldown can try it with “birthdate” or “DOB” or “SSN”. I highly doubt this has anything to do with gender being a controversial or blocked term for political reasons or something.

akomtu 4y ago
A twitter post above says that Copilot also blacklisted words "communism" and "socialism".

diego 4y ago

I just tried Copilot with VS Code and python for the first time. If I define a function with some parameter name, I get suggestions as I type the body. I change the parameter name to gender, no suggestions. I change one letter in the parameter name (gendes, gander), I get suggestions again. There clearly is some code that gets activated when it sees the word "gender".

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago

Someone on Twitter reverse engineered an earlier version of the list https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1433254293352730628 https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1433254293352730628 and the list linked somewhere in that thread contains "gender" (see https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=32339001 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=32339001 for direct links).