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Doesn't matter what the actual number is if that is our perception, whether that is because of media or peer/cultural influence.

zmgsabst 4y ago
- nameistaken 4y ago
- danny_taco 4y ago
  You talk about the figures being meaningful, while you seem to be making up numbers of your own.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    - mxkopy 4y ago
      >and the rest hate it. Source?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Corporations “went Woke” because they misperceived that as having popular support while only 8-10% of people supported it — and the rest hate it. > That misperception has lost hundreds of billions in shareholder value, adding up just Disney, Warner, and Netflix. How so? Do any of those companies have competitors who didn't "go woke," and are now profiting off their missteps? Those companies may have lost a ton of value, but I don't think it's because of that cause. > Democrat politicians seem to have similarly misperceived — and now are facing widespread public backlash to their policy. But that may not matter. They're also cultivating a backlash against Republicans, hoping that will counter any backlash against them. IMHO, in our political moment, the major parties don't even try to make the middle happy; they try to make the middle mad at the other guys, so they can coddle their respective activist bases. This is why "democracy all the things" is kind of a shitty system. Primaries push the adults out of the room and give extremists too much say, which then requires toxic behavior to salvage an overall victory.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Yes — imported and independent media have done well over that same period. They’re literally setting records. You can also compare within a single studio, such as Prime Video: why did Reacher and Terminal List succeed where Wheel of Time and Rings of Power did not? Edit: > IMHO, in our political moment, the major parties don't event try to make the middle happy; they try to make the middle mad at the other guys, so they can coddle their activist bases. I agree.
    - ssully 4y ago
      "Why did two military thriller TV series succeed when two fantasy TV series (one of which isn't even out yet) did not?". Seems like a lot of competing factors here chief!
    - kirankp89 4y ago
      Just wanted to point out that Wheel of Time is one of Amazon’s most popular shows ever and Rings of Power isn’t out yet. Struck me as an odd comparison.
    - mcphage 4y ago
      > where Wheel of Time and Rings of Power did not? So far, Rings of Power has pulled in Infinity dollars per episode. Probably won't stay that way, but that seems pretty successful to me.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    This seems like a good point. Also, did these companies lose value relative to the last couple of years when we were all hunkering down binge-watching TV or did they lose value relative to their pre-pandemic years. In the latter case, I would guess it has something to do with the absolutely abysmal quality of 99.9% of content on those platforms ("woke" being just one of many kinds of lazy, low quality content).
  - hammock 4y ago
    Even inside of Big Media you can see the relative commercial success or failure of a movie like Toy Story compared to a disinterested one like Top Gun
- ratww 4y ago
  The "rest" that hates it is also a very vocal minority, probably even less than the 8-10%. Most people don't give a shit about it. Assuming the rest does is heavy projection.
  - namelessoracle 4y ago
    - ratww 4y ago
      - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        ratww 4y ago
        AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        ratww 4y ago
        AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        ratww 4y ago
        No, your point is that unless I completely agree with you about some specific voting demographics that happens to be a pet theory of yours, then I'm wrong about something completely unrelated. Seems like you're knee deep in this shit and projecting your views in an entire country.
- groby_b 4y ago
  Dude. Take off the political glasses. Disney lost value because it's mismanaged by a horrible CEO, and hasn't produced anything meaningful outside of Marvel and Star Wars since forever. Add to that a struggling parks business in general, combined with epic mismanagement around "maybe we should just target people who want $5K hotel rooms and $2K drinks", and... here we are. Netflix, similarly, suffers from self-inflicted wounds. Their struggling attempts to monetize account sharing are a much too late financial attempt to paper over the fact that their auth system is... not so good. Mildly put. Their content content has taken a deep turn towards "reality" schlock after they so brilliantly ousted Cindy Holland (who was responsible for bringing good content) while elevating Bela Bajaria (the king of garbage shows). Those shows play well on social media, but they do shit all for the bottom line. It's not "went woke", it's "leaned into incompetence". The same holds true on the political side. A large chunk of the recession rests firmly on politicians who completely and utterly fucked up the handling of the pandemic. Republicans and Democrats both. Different flavors of incompetence, but... it was a shit show either way.
  - hammock 4y ago
    >hasn't produced anything meaningful outside of Marvel and Star Wars since forever. AKA only the most profitable franchises of all time…
    - swores 4y ago
      Which is why they're not doing as well as they should be, rather than literally crashing and burning. At their size having two great franchises isn't good enough if everything else is absolute shit (not that I'm saying it is all shit, just that those two alone can't carry the stock market's expectation of more than just those two succeeding).
    - andsoitis 4y ago
      Disney stock is down over the last 5 years. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/
      - 4y ago
- PenguinCoder 4y ago
  > has lost hundreds of billions in shareholder value Who gives a shit about useless thieves with no ability to actually produce or do anything worthwhile??! Fuck the 'shareholders value'. We need to do more for and pay the PEOPLE better, who get things done. Ya know, the actual workers. All that a 'shareholder' does is extract money/value from other peoples hard work.
- frumper 4y ago
  My in-law told us they were boycotting Disney for political reasons. A few months later we wanted to respect their choices so we asked her what our nephew would like for his birthday and she told us he's into The Mandalorian and Marvel.
AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
It feels many people responding to you are misunderstanding your point - and it's a very good one. The medium is the message. Everybody should read McLuhan if they work in the technology space. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

zmgsabst 4y ago

nameistaken 4y ago
danny_taco 4y ago
You talk about the figures being meaningful, while you seem to be making up numbers of your own.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  - mxkopy 4y ago
    >and the rest hate it. Source?
tablespoon 4y ago
> Corporations “went Woke” because they misperceived that as having popular support while only 8-10% of people supported it — and the rest hate it. > That misperception has lost hundreds of billions in shareholder value, adding up just Disney, Warner, and Netflix. How so? Do any of those companies have competitors who didn't "go woke," and are now profiting off their missteps? Those companies may have lost a ton of value, but I don't think it's because of that cause. > Democrat politicians seem to have similarly misperceived — and now are facing widespread public backlash to their policy. But that may not matter. They're also cultivating a backlash against Republicans, hoping that will counter any backlash against them. IMHO, in our political moment, the major parties don't even try to make the middle happy; they try to make the middle mad at the other guys, so they can coddle their respective activist bases. This is why "democracy all the things" is kind of a shitty system. Primaries push the adults out of the room and give extremists too much say, which then requires toxic behavior to salvage an overall victory.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Yes — imported and independent media have done well over that same period. They’re literally setting records. You can also compare within a single studio, such as Prime Video: why did Reacher and Terminal List succeed where Wheel of Time and Rings of Power did not? Edit: > IMHO, in our political moment, the major parties don't event try to make the middle happy; they try to make the middle mad at the other guys, so they can coddle their activist bases. I agree.
  - ssully 4y ago
    "Why did two military thriller TV series succeed when two fantasy TV series (one of which isn't even out yet) did not?". Seems like a lot of competing factors here chief!
  - kirankp89 4y ago
    Just wanted to point out that Wheel of Time is one of Amazon’s most popular shows ever and Rings of Power isn’t out yet. Struck me as an odd comparison.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > where Wheel of Time and Rings of Power did not? So far, Rings of Power has pulled in Infinity dollars per episode. Probably won't stay that way, but that seems pretty successful to me.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  This seems like a good point. Also, did these companies lose value relative to the last couple of years when we were all hunkering down binge-watching TV or did they lose value relative to their pre-pandemic years. In the latter case, I would guess it has something to do with the absolutely abysmal quality of 99.9% of content on those platforms ("woke" being just one of many kinds of lazy, low quality content).
- hammock 4y ago
  Even inside of Big Media you can see the relative commercial success or failure of a movie like Toy Story compared to a disinterested one like Top Gun
ratww 4y ago
The "rest" that hates it is also a very vocal minority, probably even less than the 8-10%. Most people don't give a shit about it. Assuming the rest does is heavy projection.
- namelessoracle 4y ago
  - ratww 4y ago
    - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
      - ratww 4y ago
        AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        ratww 4y ago
        AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
        ratww 4y ago
        No, your point is that unless I completely agree with you about some specific voting demographics that happens to be a pet theory of yours, then I'm wrong about something completely unrelated. Seems like you're knee deep in this shit and projecting your views in an entire country.
groby_b 4y ago
Dude. Take off the political glasses. Disney lost value because it's mismanaged by a horrible CEO, and hasn't produced anything meaningful outside of Marvel and Star Wars since forever. Add to that a struggling parks business in general, combined with epic mismanagement around "maybe we should just target people who want $5K hotel rooms and $2K drinks", and... here we are. Netflix, similarly, suffers from self-inflicted wounds. Their struggling attempts to monetize account sharing are a much too late financial attempt to paper over the fact that their auth system is... not so good. Mildly put. Their content content has taken a deep turn towards "reality" schlock after they so brilliantly ousted Cindy Holland (who was responsible for bringing good content) while elevating Bela Bajaria (the king of garbage shows). Those shows play well on social media, but they do shit all for the bottom line. It's not "went woke", it's "leaned into incompetence". The same holds true on the political side. A large chunk of the recession rests firmly on politicians who completely and utterly fucked up the handling of the pandemic. Republicans and Democrats both. Different flavors of incompetence, but... it was a shit show either way.
- hammock 4y ago
  >hasn't produced anything meaningful outside of Marvel and Star Wars since forever. AKA only the most profitable franchises of all time…
  - swores 4y ago
    Which is why they're not doing as well as they should be, rather than literally crashing and burning. At their size having two great franchises isn't good enough if everything else is absolute shit (not that I'm saying it is all shit, just that those two alone can't carry the stock market's expectation of more than just those two succeeding).
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    Disney stock is down over the last 5 years. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/
    - 4y ago
PenguinCoder 4y ago
> has lost hundreds of billions in shareholder value Who gives a shit about useless thieves with no ability to actually produce or do anything worthwhile??! Fuck the 'shareholders value'. We need to do more for and pay the PEOPLE better, who get things done. Ya know, the actual workers. All that a 'shareholder' does is extract money/value from other peoples hard work.
frumper 4y ago
My in-law told us they were boycotting Disney for political reasons. A few months later we wanted to respect their choices so we asked her what our nephew would like for his birthday and she told us he's into The Mandalorian and Marvel.

AndrewUnmuted 4y ago

It feels many people responding to you are misunderstanding your point - and it's a very good one. The medium is the message. Everybody should read McLuhan if they work in the technology space. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message