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I now stay away from hiring below 30s. Tons of effort to train them. I feel like raising children for a long time. Also, higher incidence of behavioral problem

by aborsy 4y ago

I now stay away from hiring below 30s. Tons of effort to train them. I feel like raising children for a long time. Also, higher incidence of behavioral problems: they can be immature and bring drama, feeling entitled, they may lack sufficient social experience (it takes some time until they learn how to properly respond in a given situation, play well in a team, etc), don’t know well how the industry in which we work operates etc. I get better bang for the buck with more experienced folks. Much less headache. I think hiring young people is partly a cultural convention.

dominotw 4y ago
30-40 is the sweetspot for devs but they are also distracted by new family members in that time period.
mardifoufs 4y ago
Isn't this just blatant ageism too? Especially the part about "behavioral problems"?
- aborsy 4y ago
  No. We are talking about the selection or rejection of people with or without justified reasons. Ageism refers to discrimination without a justified reason. For example, someone’s beard is grey, he is not considered, or gets negative points. If a valid reason is provided to the person, young or old, pertaining to the performance in the job, that’s fine. The person can perhaps work on it and improve. At the end, the person who better performs a job and delivers should get that job, irrespective of gender, age, religion, etc.
  - scottlamb 4y ago
    If you provide the true reason specific to the person why you didn't hire them, and it's an actual job issue they can improve other than "wait until you're 30", that's one thing. On the other hand, you said "I now stay away from hiring below 30s." You may have had all kinds of bad experiences after hiring younger folks, but none of those are the fault of the person sitting across the table from you when you interview the next person. You're stereotyping. It's ageism.
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- ilaksh 4y ago
  100% reverse ageism. Lol. I am 44 by the way but clearly this is a similar type of ridiculous superficial bias.

by aborsy 4y ago

dominotw 4y ago

30-40 is the sweetspot for devs but they are also distracted by new family members in that time period.

mardifoufs 4y ago

Isn't this just blatant ageism too? Especially the part about "behavioral problems"?

aborsy 4y ago
No. We are talking about the selection or rejection of people with or without justified reasons. Ageism refers to discrimination without a justified reason. For example, someone’s beard is grey, he is not considered, or gets negative points. If a valid reason is provided to the person, young or old, pertaining to the performance in the job, that’s fine. The person can perhaps work on it and improve. At the end, the person who better performs a job and delivers should get that job, irrespective of gender, age, religion, etc.
- scottlamb 4y ago
  If you provide the true reason specific to the person why you didn't hire them, and it's an actual job issue they can improve other than "wait until you're 30", that's one thing. On the other hand, you said "I now stay away from hiring below 30s." You may have had all kinds of bad experiences after hiring younger folks, but none of those are the fault of the person sitting across the table from you when you interview the next person. You're stereotyping. It's ageism.
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ilaksh 4y ago
100% reverse ageism. Lol. I am 44 by the way but clearly this is a similar type of ridiculous superficial bias.