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Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more

Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more windows like. PS: Im on a p1 gen4 thinkapd very happy with it, BUT it is sometimes really noisy..

david_allison 4y ago
I'm running Ubuntu arm64 on my M1 MacBook Pro 14 inch via Parallels + a Bluetooth keyboard. Ubuntu's not a daily driver, there's a bit of initial effort in switching between macOS + Linux keyboards, but it's usable.
dncornholio 4y ago
Apple keyboards are the same as Windows, they just have different labels. The ALT key is called "option". CTRL is "control" and the windows key is "command".
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- hnlmorg 4y ago
  Lots more different than that: + Windows has the Windows key (which Linux called "super") + Windows also has the context menu key, which I think it pretty useless to be honest but others might get value from that + The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). The # and / keys I find particularly hard to locate on Macs. I often end up redefining my Mac keyboard to be an IBM keyboard even though it differs from the key caps. It's a nightmare for anyone using my Mac but much easier for me who's had ~40 years of muscle memory. Not the keyboard hardware (so somewhat out of scope for this context) but it's also worth noting that there's some macOS keyboard shortcuts that differ in really confusing ways too. Like + Ctrl+C vs Cmd+C + Text area navigation on a Mac is totally different too. Home and End buttons behave differently. Ctrl+Arrow keys don't work. Shift+Arrow keys don't select. etc Every time I spend a few months in Linux and then switch to a Mac (or visa versa) I inevitably have a few days of pain relearning short cut keys.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    >The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). I just checked three external Apple keyboards, one integrated Apple Keyboard and a Logitech G15, and as far as I can tell, all of them have the @ and " in the same places.
    - hnlmorg 4y ago
      They do differ on the UK keyboards (examples below). Other keyboards for other European languages will differ in different ways (differ both from the UK layout and also from the US layout). UK Mac keyboard: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMMR3B/A/magic-keyboard-with-touch-id-and-numeric-keypad-for-mac-models-with-apple-silicon-british-english-black-keys?fnode=128684b684e9520c37c3b8524ac050b9a97208600313a9b77f9e136b1854005da09fba8d18088cc2a010842ea66906080a21773f24b4372dfc9546c40739666d2459bd456df5c34f1767434a62ceac32dde26071511a9e5698a4f8483e1e1104d9ac100faa068b066d8b20bcb3abf561 https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMMR3B/A/magic-keyboar... A random UK "IBM" keyboard: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Classic-style-keyboard-Black/dp/B009PKF9WK https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Classic-style-keyboard-Black/...
  - pasc1878 4y ago
    Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues. As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3
    - hnlmorg 4y ago
      > Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues. Only the last two items and I did prefix those items saying it was the OS so wouldn't be affected by running Linux. I'm not trying to deceive people here. > As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3 ...or you can just redefine the keyboard layout, as I also stated in my comment (I assume you did actually read it?). None of the problems I raised were intended to be negative about Apple so you don't need to jump to the defence here. I'm just stating the differences between Mac and IBM/Microsoft keyboard layouts.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
As the sibling said, the keyboards are basically the same, especially the US ANSI variant (horizontal Enter). Localized versions can be different, the French for example has some symbols in very different places. Also, the ALT (Option, key to the right of the left CTRL) and Super (Command, key to the left of the space bar) are reversed, but you can tell Linux to swap them. I use `options hid_apple fnmode=2 swap_opt_cmd=1` to have function keys register as Fx without the FN and to have the ALT key next to the space bar.
throwntoday 4y ago
Not using full-time but have a partition for it. I went no DE on my install, figured I'd hold off until we got GPU support. I'm on an M1 Pro and all the essential hardware works so it's fine for my purposes (C++ development).

david_allison 4y ago

I'm running Ubuntu arm64 on my M1 MacBook Pro 14 inch via Parallels + a Bluetooth keyboard. Ubuntu's not a daily driver, there's a bit of initial effort in switching between macOS + Linux keyboards, but it's usable.

dncornholio 4y ago

Apple keyboards are the same as Windows, they just have different labels. The ALT key is called "option". CTRL is "control" and the windows key is "command".

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hnlmorg 4y ago
Lots more different than that: + Windows has the Windows key (which Linux called "super") + Windows also has the context menu key, which I think it pretty useless to be honest but others might get value from that + The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). The # and / keys I find particularly hard to locate on Macs. I often end up redefining my Mac keyboard to be an IBM keyboard even though it differs from the key caps. It's a nightmare for anyone using my Mac but much easier for me who's had ~40 years of muscle memory. Not the keyboard hardware (so somewhat out of scope for this context) but it's also worth noting that there's some macOS keyboard shortcuts that differ in really confusing ways too. Like + Ctrl+C vs Cmd+C + Text area navigation on a Mac is totally different too. Home and End buttons behave differently. Ctrl+Arrow keys don't work. Shift+Arrow keys don't select. etc Every time I spend a few months in Linux and then switch to a Mac (or visa versa) I inevitably have a few days of pain relearning short cut keys.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). I just checked three external Apple keyboards, one integrated Apple Keyboard and a Logitech G15, and as far as I can tell, all of them have the @ and " in the same places.
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    They do differ on the UK keyboards (examples below). Other keyboards for other European languages will differ in different ways (differ both from the UK layout and also from the US layout). UK Mac keyboard: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMMR3B/A/magic-keyboard-with-touch-id-and-numeric-keypad-for-mac-models-with-apple-silicon-british-english-black-keys?fnode=128684b684e9520c37c3b8524ac050b9a97208600313a9b77f9e136b1854005da09fba8d18088cc2a010842ea66906080a21773f24b4372dfc9546c40739666d2459bd456df5c34f1767434a62ceac32dde26071511a9e5698a4f8483e1e1104d9ac100faa068b066d8b20bcb3abf561 https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMMR3B/A/magic-keyboar... A random UK "IBM" keyboard: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Classic-style-keyboard-Black/dp/B009PKF9WK https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultra-Classic-style-keyboard-Black/...
- pasc1878 4y ago
  Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues. As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    > Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues. Only the last two items and I did prefix those items saying it was the OS so wouldn't be affected by running Linux. I'm not trying to deceive people here. > As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3 ...or you can just redefine the keyboard layout, as I also stated in my comment (I assume you did actually read it?). None of the problems I raised were intended to be negative about Apple so you don't need to jump to the defence here. I'm just stating the differences between Mac and IBM/Microsoft keyboard layouts.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

As the sibling said, the keyboards are basically the same, especially the US ANSI variant (horizontal Enter). Localized versions can be different, the French for example has some symbols in very different places. Also, the ALT (Option, key to the right of the left CTRL) and Super (Command, key to the left of the space bar) are reversed, but you can tell Linux to swap them. I use `options hid_apple fnmode=2 swap_opt_cmd=1` to have function keys register as Fx without the FN and to have the ALT key next to the space bar.

throwntoday 4y ago

Not using full-time but have a partition for it. I went no DE on my install, figured I'd hold off until we got GPU support. I'm on an M1 Pro and all the essential hardware works so it's fine for my purposes (C++ development).