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> ...you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries. This is pretty weird. Then again, in regards to the engine itself dying, I feel like

> ...you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries. This is pretty weird. Then again, in regards to the engine itself dying, I feel like this is inevitable for many of the projects out there. For example, there was the Xenko engine which was later renamed to Stride: https://www.stride3d.net/ https://www.stride3d.net/ It's actually a nice project, has lots of great features and feels like it should be a more open alternative to Unity, whilst being similarly easy to use. However, compare the attention it is getting in comparison to something like Godot: - https://github.com/stride3d/stride - https://github.com/godotengine/godot On OpenCollective, Stride has an estimated annual budget of around 12k USD, whereas Godot gets around 15k USD per month on Patreon. Stride has a bit under 100 contributors, Godot has almost 2000. Godot gets hype on various game development subreddits regularly, yet Stride gets no such love. Ergo, it's probably pretty easy to draw a trajectory of what the next 10 years might bring for either, with one probably getting more features and development and becoming a mainstay of the indie scene, when compared to the other. But the great thing is that if whatever engine you use has an open license, you cannot have it be taken away from you (as long as you have all of the actual executables and don't depend on external services).

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Stride looks good, but am I right in thinking that unlike Godot, it doesn't support macOS or Linux as a deployment target?
- tebjan 4y ago
  Stride can deploy games to win, macOS, linux, iOS and android.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    If that's the case then the website could really do with an update as that's the first thing any dev, studio or publisher looks at in 2022. "Can we reach our target demographic?"
    - tebjan 4y ago
      Yes, it is only community driven, there is no fulltime dev working on it. But I've seen someone working on a website refresh. If that's too slow for you, just edit the website here and make a PR with the info you were looking for: https://github.com/stride3d/stride-website https://github.com/stride3d/stride-website
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        It's not that it's too slow for me, it's that it isn't my place to do it, despite being a FOSS enthusiast. I don't use the project, have never tried it, and am currently heavily entrenched in Godot and Unreal. Looks very interesting, but switching mid-development won't happen. Furthermore, if it is apparently "dying", it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, sadly. Rather than encourage me to change it, why don't you? You seem to know a lot more about it than I do for starters. In the time you engaged with me, you could have submitted the PR yourself and thanked me for the feedback. Herein lies why the project likely hasn't caught on—not enough focus on contributing.
        tebjan 4y ago
        My contributions to Stride are on the graphics and rendering side of things. And as I said, someone is already working on a website refresh. I'm not sure from what sources your personal assessment comes from, but from what I know about the project, it's incorrect.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Web design and content writing are two quite different things, and the two should be kept apart for optimum results, as has been the case for, well, twenty-plus years at this point with CMS et al, even headless ones. Here's the source for it apparently dying: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32303373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32303373 And this is what I'm saying: I personally don't see the value in contributing to it if people already involved with it who know far more than me, have demonstrated this to me when asking them a question, would rather give me the link to do a PR than do it themselves. All this wasted energy that could have gone into the project. It says it all really, and I don't say that to be snarky, but there's a reason that Godot has exploded in popularity, and that's likely because the community just gets things done instead of discussing things to a fault.
tebjan 4y ago
Godot is just older and more established, but Stride has a better render engine, software architecture and is a pure .NET project. So the engine and the scripting use the same technology. Godot has a C++ core and only "interprets" the scripting languages, which is conceptually quite different. If you simply want to develop "standard" games, this might not be important to you. But if you are a .NET developer and you want to integrate anything from the .NET ecosytem, Stride is what you want. Also, Stride has probably the best shader system in the world.
- 999900000999 4y ago
  I want to like Stride, but the documentation is so sparse I had a hell of a time getting anything working. Plus you need to use a PC to develop. Now I'm thinking Unity assets could be adapted to work with Stride since both use C#. If so, switching from Unity to Stride won't be so bad.
  - tebjan 4y ago
    Yes, you can theoretically do code-only projects on mac and linux, but win is definitely the most comfortable dev platform for Stride. Yea, some kind of converter for unity assets would be cool. But 3d assets should already work... And with other things from the Unity asset store you could run into licensing issue. But I don't know the details about that, might even vary from asset to asset. Stride has pretty good written docs, for an open-source project. And there are quite some video tutorials on the docs page too. And there is also: https://doc.stride3d.net/4.0/en/manual/stride-for-unity-developers/index.html https://doc.stride3d.net/4.0/en/manual/stride-for-unity-deve...
    - 999900000999 4y ago
      As far as I can tell, as long as you pay for a unity asset and you don't just resell it by itself, you can use it in whatever way you want. For example, if there's a nifty networking library for Unity and I adapted to use it somewhere else, as long as I don't resell the library, I should be fine. Practically I can't imagine an asset store author suing you for using the asset in a non-unity project. I do vastly prefer a single language engine like Stride, versus Godot which supports visual scripting, GD script, and C#.
undefuser 4y ago
There are probably many reasons why this engine was not adopted by devs. For me, the last time I tried, the performance was terrible even in the most trivial test map. I dropped it instantly.

hammyhavoc 4y ago

Stride looks good, but am I right in thinking that unlike Godot, it doesn't support macOS or Linux as a deployment target?

tebjan 4y ago
Stride can deploy games to win, macOS, linux, iOS and android.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  If that's the case then the website could really do with an update as that's the first thing any dev, studio or publisher looks at in 2022. "Can we reach our target demographic?"
  - tebjan 4y ago
    Yes, it is only community driven, there is no fulltime dev working on it. But I've seen someone working on a website refresh. If that's too slow for you, just edit the website here and make a PR with the info you were looking for: https://github.com/stride3d/stride-website https://github.com/stride3d/stride-website
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      It's not that it's too slow for me, it's that it isn't my place to do it, despite being a FOSS enthusiast. I don't use the project, have never tried it, and am currently heavily entrenched in Godot and Unreal. Looks very interesting, but switching mid-development won't happen. Furthermore, if it is apparently "dying", it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, sadly. Rather than encourage me to change it, why don't you? You seem to know a lot more about it than I do for starters. In the time you engaged with me, you could have submitted the PR yourself and thanked me for the feedback. Herein lies why the project likely hasn't caught on—not enough focus on contributing.
      - tebjan 4y ago
        My contributions to Stride are on the graphics and rendering side of things. And as I said, someone is already working on a website refresh. I'm not sure from what sources your personal assessment comes from, but from what I know about the project, it's incorrect.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Web design and content writing are two quite different things, and the two should be kept apart for optimum results, as has been the case for, well, twenty-plus years at this point with CMS et al, even headless ones. Here's the source for it apparently dying: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32303373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32303373 And this is what I'm saying: I personally don't see the value in contributing to it if people already involved with it who know far more than me, have demonstrated this to me when asking them a question, would rather give me the link to do a PR than do it themselves. All this wasted energy that could have gone into the project. It says it all really, and I don't say that to be snarky, but there's a reason that Godot has exploded in popularity, and that's likely because the community just gets things done instead of discussing things to a fault.

tebjan 4y ago

Godot is just older and more established, but Stride has a better render engine, software architecture and is a pure .NET project. So the engine and the scripting use the same technology. Godot has a C++ core and only "interprets" the scripting languages, which is conceptually quite different. If you simply want to develop "standard" games, this might not be important to you. But if you are a .NET developer and you want to integrate anything from the .NET ecosytem, Stride is what you want. Also, Stride has probably the best shader system in the world.

999900000999 4y ago
I want to like Stride, but the documentation is so sparse I had a hell of a time getting anything working. Plus you need to use a PC to develop. Now I'm thinking Unity assets could be adapted to work with Stride since both use C#. If so, switching from Unity to Stride won't be so bad.
- tebjan 4y ago
  Yes, you can theoretically do code-only projects on mac and linux, but win is definitely the most comfortable dev platform for Stride. Yea, some kind of converter for unity assets would be cool. But 3d assets should already work... And with other things from the Unity asset store you could run into licensing issue. But I don't know the details about that, might even vary from asset to asset. Stride has pretty good written docs, for an open-source project. And there are quite some video tutorials on the docs page too. And there is also: https://doc.stride3d.net/4.0/en/manual/stride-for-unity-developers/index.html https://doc.stride3d.net/4.0/en/manual/stride-for-unity-deve...
  - 999900000999 4y ago
    As far as I can tell, as long as you pay for a unity asset and you don't just resell it by itself, you can use it in whatever way you want. For example, if there's a nifty networking library for Unity and I adapted to use it somewhere else, as long as I don't resell the library, I should be fine. Practically I can't imagine an asset store author suing you for using the asset in a non-unity project. I do vastly prefer a single language engine like Stride, versus Godot which supports visual scripting, GD script, and C#.

undefuser 4y ago

There are probably many reasons why this engine was not adopted by devs. For me, the last time I tried, the performance was terrible even in the most trivial test map. I dropped it instantly.