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> Just keep talking about the benefits of walkable carefree cities If you don't worry about what people think, you're never going to understand and address the

> Just keep talking about the benefits of walkable carefree cities If you don't worry about what people think, you're never going to understand and address the actual reasons people buy cars. When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit, you're not going to talk them into not being miserable! They are making choices informed based on their own life experiences that it would be smart to understand and emphasize with, if you want to drive meaningful change.

epistasis 4y ago
> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit, you're not going to talk them into not being miserable! This is because we plan for the only possible route by car. We prioritize making car access fast in every single aspect of planning, and never once even consider public transit during the planning process, and hope that underfunded transit systems can somehow work around the cars. A far better system would be to have children be able to walk to school rather than hop in a vehicle. Or school buses, which used to be common in the US to get around the car dependency.
jeltz 4y ago
Where I live almost everyone walks their kids to school. Many people having to drive their kids to school or use public transport is a sign of bad urban planning.
jackvalentine 4y ago
> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit, you're not going to talk them into not being miserable! I saw a case recently where a woman crashed her car outside her child’s school in London, injuring some children. All very sad and especially compounded by the school only accepting enrolments within 1km of the school due to demand. 1km! And she still drove to pick up the kids!
spicymaki 4y ago
> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit That is dumb, in the US, school buses exist even in the suburbs. You most likely already fun them with taxpayer money for public school. I have even taken school buses for private school.
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  Many urban areas do not have school busses. I'm not making up anecdotes, here's a recent one from SF: https://abc7news.com/sfmta-parking-tickets-near-chase-center-mission-bay-sf-san-francisco/11547434/ https://abc7news.com/sfmta-parking-tickets-near-chase-center... Does it sound like she just needs someone to tell her why public transit is great? Or like she has actual challenges using public transit that you don't understand.
  - spicymaki 4y ago
    Point taken. Where I grew-up they had school busses up to middle school. Then you needed to take public buses. They then gave us a special pass that allowed us to travel during school hours for free. I am not sure that public transit is the problem per-se here, but really the city infrastructure.

epistasis 4y ago

> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit, you're not going to talk them into not being miserable! This is because we plan for the only possible route by car. We prioritize making car access fast in every single aspect of planning, and never once even consider public transit during the planning process, and hope that underfunded transit systems can somehow work around the cars. A far better system would be to have children be able to walk to school rather than hop in a vehicle. Or school buses, which used to be common in the US to get around the car dependency.

jeltz 4y ago

Where I live almost everyone walks their kids to school. Many people having to drive their kids to school or use public transport is a sign of bad urban planning.

jackvalentine 4y ago

> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit, you're not going to talk them into not being miserable! I saw a case recently where a woman crashed her car outside her child’s school in London, injuring some children. All very sad and especially compounded by the school only accepting enrolments within 1km of the school due to demand. 1km! And she still drove to pick up the kids!

spicymaki 4y ago

> When someone buys a car because it's miserable trying to get 2+ kids to school on public transit That is dumb, in the US, school buses exist even in the suburbs. You most likely already fun them with taxpayer money for public school. I have even taken school buses for private school.

bpodgursky 4y ago
Many urban areas do not have school busses. I'm not making up anecdotes, here's a recent one from SF: https://abc7news.com/sfmta-parking-tickets-near-chase-center-mission-bay-sf-san-francisco/11547434/ https://abc7news.com/sfmta-parking-tickets-near-chase-center... Does it sound like she just needs someone to tell her why public transit is great? Or like she has actual challenges using public transit that you don't understand.
- spicymaki 4y ago
  Point taken. Where I grew-up they had school busses up to middle school. Then you needed to take public buses. They then gave us a special pass that allowed us to travel during school hours for free. I am not sure that public transit is the problem per-se here, but really the city infrastructure.