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You kind of have to be an asshole to get things done. The best coaches and mentors in my life caused me displeasure in their relentless efforts to push me furt

You kind of have to be an asshole to get things done. The best coaches and mentors in my life caused me displeasure in their relentless efforts to push me further than I thought I could go.

jarcoal 15y ago
Exactly right. Companies do not get ahead by having mellow pushovers at the top. People having been talking a lot about how he stole all of the design credit from Ives. This might be the case, but I'm willing to bet you that Ives would be the first to admit that Jobs helped him unlock his true potential.
- atdt 15y ago
  Taking credit for other people's creative work is a shit thing to do. Whatever benefits Ive may have drawn from the relationship aren't relevant. Daddy doesn't get to beat the kids just because daddy puts food on the table.
  - jonhendry 15y ago
    I'm inclined to take Ives' complaint with a grain of salt. After all, as the face of Apple design, Ives might be getting some amount of credit for designs that his underlings have made. He might not be seeking it, but that's how it's working out. Ives is pretty much the only designer at Apple who gets any credit at all, at least in the media. And that's been the case for years now. He hasn't exactly been laboring in obscurity while Jobs sucked up all the credit and adulation.
    - philwelch 15y ago
      Apple has always been circumspect about identifying any of their employees below the Senior VP level because they don't want any of them poached. And even their senior VPs get poached.
  - matwood 15y ago
    Taking credit for other people's creative work is a shit thing to do. If SJ pushed Ives to iterate through 100s of designs, tweaked each one and then iterated again whose creative work would it be? If SJ sat down and explained what he wanted in excruciating detail (given the stories of his attention to detail this is what I would expect), and through trial and error Ives arrived at what SJ wanted whose creative work would it be? I think there is clearly no single creator in either case. Ives gets a lot of credit for being a great designer and being the one who helped SJ realize his computing vision. Given SJs OCD about details I don't think it was ever a case where he was playing golf, took an Ives design and just pushed it out as his own.
atdt 15y ago
There's a difference between being an effective drill sergeant and being a jerk. Parking in handicapped spots has nothing to do with driving your employees to excellence.

You kind of have to be an asshole to get things done. The best coaches and mentors in my life caused me displeasure in their relentless efforts to push me further than I thought I could go.

jarcoal 15y ago

Exactly right. Companies do not get ahead by having mellow pushovers at the top. People having been talking a lot about how he stole all of the design credit from Ives. This might be the case, but I'm willing to bet you that Ives would be the first to admit that Jobs helped him unlock his true potential.

atdt 15y ago
Taking credit for other people's creative work is a shit thing to do. Whatever benefits Ive may have drawn from the relationship aren't relevant. Daddy doesn't get to beat the kids just because daddy puts food on the table.
- jonhendry 15y ago
  I'm inclined to take Ives' complaint with a grain of salt. After all, as the face of Apple design, Ives might be getting some amount of credit for designs that his underlings have made. He might not be seeking it, but that's how it's working out. Ives is pretty much the only designer at Apple who gets any credit at all, at least in the media. And that's been the case for years now. He hasn't exactly been laboring in obscurity while Jobs sucked up all the credit and adulation.
  - philwelch 15y ago
    Apple has always been circumspect about identifying any of their employees below the Senior VP level because they don't want any of them poached. And even their senior VPs get poached.
- matwood 15y ago
  Taking credit for other people's creative work is a shit thing to do. If SJ pushed Ives to iterate through 100s of designs, tweaked each one and then iterated again whose creative work would it be? If SJ sat down and explained what he wanted in excruciating detail (given the stories of his attention to detail this is what I would expect), and through trial and error Ives arrived at what SJ wanted whose creative work would it be? I think there is clearly no single creator in either case. Ives gets a lot of credit for being a great designer and being the one who helped SJ realize his computing vision. Given SJs OCD about details I don't think it was ever a case where he was playing golf, took an Ives design and just pushed it out as his own.

atdt 15y ago

There's a difference between being an effective drill sergeant and being a jerk. Parking in handicapped spots has nothing to do with driving your employees to excellence.