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-- never cared about woodwork till discovering Blacktail Studio on youtube - now all I want to do is make tables - highly recommend - especially if you give zer

-- never cared about woodwork till discovering Blacktail Studio on youtube - now all I want to do is make tables - highly recommend - especially if you give zero f's about woodworking -- https://www.youtube.com/c/BlacktailStudio/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/BlacktailStudio/videos

mcronce 4y ago
I had the same experience. If you want to branch out, Tyrell Knifeworks - https://www.youtube.com/c/tyrellknifeworks https://www.youtube.com/c/tyrellknifeworks - gave me a similar experience with knife forging/construction
enlyth 4y ago
Wish I had space to do something like this, here in the UK houses are tiny compared to most of the developed world, and having some kind of garage is basically a luxury
- amelius 4y ago
  On the bright side: you don't have to keep it clean.
- 542458 4y ago
  For what it’s worth - you can have a lot of fun with a small budget wood lathe and not a lot of space. Pens, small bowls and plates, chess pieces… it’s not as spectacular as big slab tables, but it captures the same “show off beautiful figured wood and nice finishes” bit and it’s cheaper and less space intense. If you are really pressed for space, a small lathe is usually small enough that you could carry it outside when you wanted to turn something (you’d need something to clamp it to outside of course). Or you could have a shed setup - that’s pretty common. Some parts of the UK have real turning communities or guilds still, and they may offer courses or use of much nicer lathes there.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Is there a UK equivalent of shared workspaces or hackerspaces?
rib3ye 4y ago
Try Ishitani Furniture. Similar satisfying flow but without the voiceover. https://youtu.be/x51zMg7roIs https://youtu.be/x51zMg7roIs
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Yep, beautiful stuff. Definitely my favorite woodworker on YouTube so far. I think his style is more mine. The epoxy "river tables" and all the live-edge stuff that is trendy puts me off of other the YouTubers. (Never mind all the Festool marketing that goes on.)
  - chrisdhoover 4y ago
    Live edge is bad but also funny because it is decidedly dead. River tables are a fad where future people will wonder what were they thinking
  - eropple 4y ago
    The river table stuff is largely dead, from my perspective. It's a neat gimmick but it's run its course. I haven't seen somebody talk about one, or seen a new one on YouTube, for months. Maybe longer? And, FWIW, Festool only sponsors a couple of woodworkers and very rarely gives tools to others for marketing purposes. You see a lot of Festool (and Fein and Mirka) because it's worth it if you're serious. They feel good to use; the Domino is a joy to use and their ETS sanders are way less punishing on my hands than the alternatives.
    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      Festool's Domino system is the one product I cannot find a cheaper alternative (too pricey for me though, so sticking with my biscuit joiner). I'm very happy with my Makita track saw though that, while still pricey, was maybe 1/3 the cost of the Festool?
      - eropple 4y ago
        I have a Makita track saw, and it's great. (I joke that using it on my MFT probably has me banned from at least one Central European country.) It absolutely wasn't a third of the price of a Festool, though. More like $500 versus $600 at the time--the spread's a bit more now. I use cheap Wen tracks that are compatible with both, so track prices are a bit of a wash. The track saw (or like, a drill/driver, but that's a bit jokey) is probably the one place where Festool has the least delta, IMO. The Domino, their sanders, and their dust extractors are genuinely a cut above, and while my shop is outgrowing the basic MFT that they sell, it's mostly to build my own, bigger, more rugged one.
amelius 4y ago
Can one make a decent income with woodworking?
- pigtailgirl 4y ago
  -- would imagine the wood working tools are not cheap to build up a collection of - and the time commitment seems high - however the dude I linked on youtube seems to sell some stuff for USD $10/15k - his recent table cost him a little over a grand in wood and is currently on ebay for US $4,850.00* - according to the website of his wood supplier - the wood he selected for his recent table is the most expensive wood they have** -- ** https://hamiltonleesupply.com/collections/liveedge-slabs-1 https://hamiltonleesupply.com/collections/liveedge-slabs-1 * https://www.ebay.com/itm/195247776682 https://www.ebay.com/itm/195247776682
- spenczar5 4y ago
  Finish carpentry is woodworking, and there are pretty good opportunities there. Furniture making is a tough way to make a living; factories are very good at furniture so you need to find customers with a lot of willingness to spend. Even at $25/hr for labor, a table and set of 4 chairs will end up around $5-10k easily. There just aren’t that many people who spend that much. (I am a finish carpenter and sometimes furniture maker)
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- cperciva 4y ago
  Definitely as a luthier -- a violin made by a skilled luthier (not "top of the profession", but "a decade or more of experience doing this full time") is typically in the $10-40k range and if they're not doing repairs (which can also be lucrative) a luthier working full time hours can make 8-16 good quality violins per year. Of course there's a bunch of expenses to be accounted for, but it's definitely still in the category of "six figure income if you're good".
  - ska 4y ago
skywal_l 4y ago
Carl Rogers rebuilding a house in SW France is also pretty interesting even it the techniques he used are sometime unconventional: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75pQ2HxRgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75pQ2HxRgM
mgdlbp 4y ago
Matthias Wandel might interest you, woodworking with the hacker spirit (including making his own tools...out of wood) https://woodgears.ca https://woodgears.ca
- staindk 4y ago
  FWIW AFAIK Matthias is an engineer who used to work at RIM (BlackBerry). His videos about woodworking and everything else are great yeah.
- cossatot 4y ago
  He posts on here sometimes: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=MatthiasWandel https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=MatthiasWandel
zo1 4y ago
My favorite that imparts a lot of knowledge and insight in a high density format is Stumpy Nubs. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCstwpLSByklww1YojZN-KiQ https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCstwpLSByklww1YojZN-KiQ

mcronce 4y ago

I had the same experience. If you want to branch out, Tyrell Knifeworks - https://www.youtube.com/c/tyrellknifeworks https://www.youtube.com/c/tyrellknifeworks - gave me a similar experience with knife forging/construction

enlyth 4y ago

Wish I had space to do something like this, here in the UK houses are tiny compared to most of the developed world, and having some kind of garage is basically a luxury

amelius 4y ago
On the bright side: you don't have to keep it clean.
542458 4y ago
For what it’s worth - you can have a lot of fun with a small budget wood lathe and not a lot of space. Pens, small bowls and plates, chess pieces… it’s not as spectacular as big slab tables, but it captures the same “show off beautiful figured wood and nice finishes” bit and it’s cheaper and less space intense. If you are really pressed for space, a small lathe is usually small enough that you could carry it outside when you wanted to turn something (you’d need something to clamp it to outside of course). Or you could have a shed setup - that’s pretty common. Some parts of the UK have real turning communities or guilds still, and they may offer courses or use of much nicer lathes there.
walterbell 4y ago
Is there a UK equivalent of shared workspaces or hackerspaces?

rib3ye 4y ago

Try Ishitani Furniture. Similar satisfying flow but without the voiceover. https://youtu.be/x51zMg7roIs https://youtu.be/x51zMg7roIs

JKCalhoun 4y ago
Yep, beautiful stuff. Definitely my favorite woodworker on YouTube so far. I think his style is more mine. The epoxy "river tables" and all the live-edge stuff that is trendy puts me off of other the YouTubers. (Never mind all the Festool marketing that goes on.)
- chrisdhoover 4y ago
  Live edge is bad but also funny because it is decidedly dead. River tables are a fad where future people will wonder what were they thinking
- eropple 4y ago
  The river table stuff is largely dead, from my perspective. It's a neat gimmick but it's run its course. I haven't seen somebody talk about one, or seen a new one on YouTube, for months. Maybe longer? And, FWIW, Festool only sponsors a couple of woodworkers and very rarely gives tools to others for marketing purposes. You see a lot of Festool (and Fein and Mirka) because it's worth it if you're serious. They feel good to use; the Domino is a joy to use and their ETS sanders are way less punishing on my hands than the alternatives.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Festool's Domino system is the one product I cannot find a cheaper alternative (too pricey for me though, so sticking with my biscuit joiner). I'm very happy with my Makita track saw though that, while still pricey, was maybe 1/3 the cost of the Festool?
    - eropple 4y ago
      I have a Makita track saw, and it's great. (I joke that using it on my MFT probably has me banned from at least one Central European country.) It absolutely wasn't a third of the price of a Festool, though. More like $500 versus $600 at the time--the spread's a bit more now. I use cheap Wen tracks that are compatible with both, so track prices are a bit of a wash. The track saw (or like, a drill/driver, but that's a bit jokey) is probably the one place where Festool has the least delta, IMO. The Domino, their sanders, and their dust extractors are genuinely a cut above, and while my shop is outgrowing the basic MFT that they sell, it's mostly to build my own, bigger, more rugged one.

amelius 4y ago

Can one make a decent income with woodworking?

pigtailgirl 4y ago
-- would imagine the wood working tools are not cheap to build up a collection of - and the time commitment seems high - however the dude I linked on youtube seems to sell some stuff for USD $10/15k - his recent table cost him a little over a grand in wood and is currently on ebay for US $4,850.00* - according to the website of his wood supplier - the wood he selected for his recent table is the most expensive wood they have** -- ** https://hamiltonleesupply.com/collections/liveedge-slabs-1 https://hamiltonleesupply.com/collections/liveedge-slabs-1 * https://www.ebay.com/itm/195247776682 https://www.ebay.com/itm/195247776682
spenczar5 4y ago
Finish carpentry is woodworking, and there are pretty good opportunities there. Furniture making is a tough way to make a living; factories are very good at furniture so you need to find customers with a lot of willingness to spend. Even at $25/hr for labor, a table and set of 4 chairs will end up around $5-10k easily. There just aren’t that many people who spend that much. (I am a finish carpenter and sometimes furniture maker)
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
cperciva 4y ago
Definitely as a luthier -- a violin made by a skilled luthier (not "top of the profession", but "a decade or more of experience doing this full time") is typically in the $10-40k range and if they're not doing repairs (which can also be lucrative) a luthier working full time hours can make 8-16 good quality violins per year. Of course there's a bunch of expenses to be accounted for, but it's definitely still in the category of "six figure income if you're good".
- ska 4y ago

skywal_l 4y ago

Carl Rogers rebuilding a house in SW France is also pretty interesting even it the techniques he used are sometime unconventional: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75pQ2HxRgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75pQ2HxRgM

mgdlbp 4y ago

Matthias Wandel might interest you, woodworking with the hacker spirit (including making his own tools...out of wood) https://woodgears.ca https://woodgears.ca

staindk 4y ago
FWIW AFAIK Matthias is an engineer who used to work at RIM (BlackBerry). His videos about woodworking and everything else are great yeah.
cossatot 4y ago
He posts on here sometimes: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=MatthiasWandel https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=MatthiasWandel

zo1 4y ago

My favorite that imparts a lot of knowledge and insight in a high density format is Stumpy Nubs. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCstwpLSByklww1YojZN-KiQ https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCstwpLSByklww1YojZN-KiQ