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How about European censorship? Is is possible to read russian news portals in Tor?
by radiator 4y ago
How about European censorship? Is is possible to read russian news portals in Tor?
- dimitrios1 4y agoMy immediate thought here too. Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again.
- cowtools 4y ago>Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Rhetorical question? Serve your web page as an onion service (preferably without javascript). >Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again. I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down.
- trasz 4y ago>I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down. Last time it happened it took a decade to end it, and of course nobody got punished: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
- knowaveragejoe 4y agoWhat if you're actually just looking at disinformation?
- MichaelCollins 4y agoAmericans have the right to read disinformation. I am and should be allowed to read propaganda from any idiot organization I please.
- xdennis 4y agoNo you don't have that right. The US literally had an Office of Censorship during WW2. Every country has different rules during war, and here in Europe many Russian politicians have made statements about attacking us. We shouldn't allow the Russians any means of attacking us from the inside.
- MichaelCollins 4y agoThe US government has done much that is unconstitutional. I do in fact have that right.
- knowaveragejoe 4y agoNothing about that is unconstitutional.
- HyperSane 4y ago
- halffaday 4y agoWhat is your estimation of the odds that the US security complex is funding the means to subvert its own domestic surveillance efforts? https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ Back in the late aughts a user claimed to have found some extremely suspicious activity: https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpent.i2p.tin0.de/tor-dc-nodes-2.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpen... Some folks get emotionally invested in tor and get really bent out of shape when you bring this up. You will hear silly arguments about open source code as if that was any kind of guarantee about what’s running on a server you can’t inspect. Or maybe according to some explainer they read, its secrecy is unbreakable, despite that correlation attacks on the protocol have been known for years.
- sneak 4y agoYou don't seem to understand how clientside encryption works. You don't need to trust any code on the server. This is pure FUD.
- RonMarken 4y agoConclusion. Some random person created a bunch of Tor exit nodes doing some internal routing fuckery for :80 traffic. Anyone should assume their plain-text traffic is fine-pickings when over Tor (and probably any of the VPN providers anyway) (If you are more concerned about traffic correlation perhaps be more careful where you are entering the Tor network)
- beardog 4y agoTor project doesn't block any sites in the code/protocol, but given that many/most of the exit nodes are in western europe you are at the mercy of any given circuit's exit node (usually the node's ISP) filtering. I remember back when more exit nodes were in Russia, i'd sometimes not be able to visit different sites because the russian exit nodes I was connecting to were blocking them.
- cowtools 4y agounless you are using onion services.
- lovelearning 4y agoAny examples of such blocked Russian sites? I'm outside Europe and would like to test it.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agort.com
- hjek 4y agoi can confirm this
- aPoCoMiLogin 4y agoEU here and it works fine for me, so I suppose the ban is on the ISP DNS side.
- vetinari 4y agort.com works for me too. sputniknews.com does't.
- thriftwy 4y agoI've heard that Telegram now blocks a lot of Russian military news channels, at EU govt request, so you can't read war news from the "other side". Telegram being the main source of raw information about course of military actions. Try t.me/warjournaltg and see if there's anything blocked/not available (there are a lot of reposts, I wonder if their source channels would be unviewable or if reposts will be silently dropped)
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoMost of the ISPs that block russian sites (RT, etc.) do it on DNS level, so just changing the DNS allows you to open those sites. And yes, this is a dark part of EU history... someone like putin blocking websites... sure, he's more or less a dictator, and we expect dictators to do stuff like that. But EU, a "pillar of democracy" blocking sites, because they don't like what they say, and because they show a different side to western propaganda... that's a bad precedent to set. But yeah, unironically writing articles like "evacuation of azovstal" [0] with a headline photo like that, takes some guts and needs some censorship to pass [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2022/may/17/evacuation-of-azovstal-plant-in-mariupol-in-pictures https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2022/may/17/evacua... ("evacuation" for western media is another word for "surrendering and being taken as war prisoners to siberia")
- trasz 4y agoRT isn’t banned because we don’t like what it says - it’s banned because it’s a part of information war. It’s not media - you won’t find there a single fact you wouldn’t get from western media. Which, btw, is very obvious when you actually look at RT. It’s a (more American than Russian for some reason) right wing sewage pool in the comments and some Daily Mail level “journalism” above.
- vogre 4y ago>it’s banned because it’s a part of information war Yup, just call anything you don't like "russian disinformation", and you are free to ban it, easy.
- knowaveragejoe 4y agoWhy would you want to?
- 88840-8855 4y agoTo see what "the other side" is reporting. And frankly, RT's reporting style changes massively after the ban.
- dempart 4y agoI'm familiar with French censorship, and I read the Democratie Participative journal by simply using north-American DNS providers like QuadNine or the Cloudflare one (1.1.1.1). Foreign VPNs also work too.
- nabogh 4y agoNever heard of that site. Any more info on it? Hard to find an English source and my French is not great. The DDG result for the page has swastikas which gives me an idea at least.
- xdennis 4y ago> How about European censorship? That's to protect people from the barbaric country which castrates Ukrainians for fun. There's nothing to be gained for accessing that stuff.
- blub 4y agoAll censorship is implemented to protect X from Y. Where X is typically the local population which is not smart/strong/informed enough to understand why Y is harmful. On the one hand, X are indeed usually ignorant because that is the natural state of humans, school is a worker assembly line as opposed to a place for sharing knowledge and their own governments lie to them and trick them all the time. On the other hand, the censors typically have ulterior motives and their goals are aligned with keeping X in the dark. You’re obviously wrong about there being nothing to gain from censored information. In fact, one can gain a very rare thing indeed - an own opinion that isn’t shaped by middlemen.
- blub 4y agoThe remarkable thing about EU censorship is that the EU doesn’t seem to really censor that much. Instead, the government decides what the narrative that they want to communicate is and the press willingly and uncritically reports it. Not all the press and not always, but there is a strong pull to the mainstream. This sounds rather ridiculous, but I’ve seen it time and again in Germany with the 2015 refugee situation, the Coronavirus pandemic and now also with the Russian invasion in Ukraine. Other countries don’t seem to do much better and critical thinking, presenting deep analyses or alternative explanations are very rare. What happens instead is that each crisis has a group of bad guys which are typically critical of the mainstream opinion, but are at the same time flawed (e.g. far-right, racist, anti-science, etc). Over time anti-mainstream opinions become associated with extremism and become easy to dismiss - unless reality diverges so hard from the mainstream that it forces a re-evaluation. This makes it very easy to find out what the mainstream political opinion in say the UK or France or Germany is, but quite hard to get informed. The restriction and indirect censorship of public discourse is pure poison for a democracy, but typically it’s those that claim to protect democracy that practice it.