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What about the increase in corruption in Mexico? An increase in corruption means more criminals can have drug businesses without being stopped by the cops. So

by rick888 15y ago

What about the increase in corruption in Mexico? An increase in corruption means more criminals can have drug businesses without being stopped by the cops. So, when more drug businesses pop-up, there will be less of a monopoly on the supply and the cost will go down over time. It's the same as any normal business. Even if we legalized all drugs tomorrow, it won't stop the violence. If the Mexican police were actually doing their job, the criminals wouldn't be running the show.

TruthElixirX 15y ago
It would stop a significant amount of the violence as explained by the fucking article. It is impossible to police drugs. Drugs even get into US max security prisons. The most fucking locked down place on Earth. If you can't eradicate it there how do you plan on eradicating it outside?
- rick888 15y ago
  "It would stop a significant amount of the violence as explained by the fucking article." I'm sorry, I read the article and I disagree. I'm merely giving a different view and you have to get all angry about it. You should use more logic and less emotion when dealing with issues like this. "The most fucking locked down place on Earth. If you can't eradicate it there how do you plan on eradicating it outside?" I never said anything about eradicating it. I'm saying that the decrease in Cocaine prices might have to do with the increase in the corruption of Mexican officials.
  - Daishiman 15y ago
    You have no supporting evidence to what you say and it doesn't really correspond with anything seen in real life.
  - luriel 15y ago
    You got it totally backwards, it is prohibition that causes the corruption. We have seen this before with alcohol prohibition in the US.
  - chrischen 15y ago
    Not all views are equal. Just because creationism is an alternative view doesn't mean it should be given the same weight as evolution. Views are comprised of smaller discrete points which can be objectively measured. I think some people have dissected your arguments and determined that added up it comes up short when compared to the other view.
burgerbrain 15y ago
What do you think would happen to a Mexican police officer and his family if he tried to simply "just do his job"? There is a reason the police are the ones wearing ski masks down there: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WO-AG531_MEXICO_G_20110802190729.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WO-AG531_MEXICO_G_...
- rick888 15y ago
  How did it get to this level? We have criminal gangs in the US and the police here don't have to worry about that. It's mostly because of our justice system and the fact that you can't buy off any cop with some cash.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    There are a lot of factors that have gone into this, including but not limited to: 1) "American sized" amounts of money being dumped into a "Mexico sized" economy. 2) (related to the above) The increased utility of any bribe to somebody living in Mexico. (we see this phenomenon in developing nations across the world^). 3) Comparative resources available to the police forces. 4) Pressure from the US to overextend the Mexican police force. etc. To boil this all down to "the police aren't doing their jobs" is a huge mistake. EDIT: ^Apologies, it seems Mexico is now considered a "newly industrialized nation", as of 2011. I don't think this effects my point however.
  - rick888 15y ago
    "2) (related to the above) The increased tility of any brbe to somebody living in Mexico. (we see this phenomenon in developing nations across the world)." Which is what I said. The reason the US isn't third-world is because most cops don't accept bribes. This sort of behavior infects society as a whole. "3) Comparative resources available to the police forces." Why are they out of resources? We need to figure things out if we ever want to stop it. "4) Pressure from the US to overextend the Mexican police force." It's because the violence and crime is spilling over to the US side of things. If they were stopping these guys, I don't think we would need to overextend anything. Does the US over-extend Canada's police force? "To boil this all down to "the police aren't doing their jobs" is a huge mistake." The police aren't doing their job because of a systematic problem of corruption. So I suppose it's just a symptom of a greater problem, but it still doesn't change the fact that there is a huge corruption problem with the Mexican police.
scythe 15y ago
>What about the increase in corruption in Mexico? An increase in corruption means more criminals can have drug businesses without being stopped by the cops. The article isn't about why prices went down, it's about why violence went down. If corruption leads to lower prices and less violence, corruption is a good thing.

by rick888 15y ago

TruthElixirX 15y ago

It would stop a significant amount of the violence as explained by the fucking article. It is impossible to police drugs. Drugs even get into US max security prisons. The most fucking locked down place on Earth. If you can't eradicate it there how do you plan on eradicating it outside?

rick888 15y ago
"It would stop a significant amount of the violence as explained by the fucking article." I'm sorry, I read the article and I disagree. I'm merely giving a different view and you have to get all angry about it. You should use more logic and less emotion when dealing with issues like this. "The most fucking locked down place on Earth. If you can't eradicate it there how do you plan on eradicating it outside?" I never said anything about eradicating it. I'm saying that the decrease in Cocaine prices might have to do with the increase in the corruption of Mexican officials.
- Daishiman 15y ago
  You have no supporting evidence to what you say and it doesn't really correspond with anything seen in real life.
- luriel 15y ago
  You got it totally backwards, it is prohibition that causes the corruption. We have seen this before with alcohol prohibition in the US.
- chrischen 15y ago
  Not all views are equal. Just because creationism is an alternative view doesn't mean it should be given the same weight as evolution. Views are comprised of smaller discrete points which can be objectively measured. I think some people have dissected your arguments and determined that added up it comes up short when compared to the other view.

burgerbrain 15y ago

What do you think would happen to a Mexican police officer and his family if he tried to simply "just do his job"? There is a reason the police are the ones wearing ski masks down there: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WO-AG531_MEXICO_G_20110802190729.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WO-AG531_MEXICO_G_...

rick888 15y ago
How did it get to this level? We have criminal gangs in the US and the police here don't have to worry about that. It's mostly because of our justice system and the fact that you can't buy off any cop with some cash.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  There are a lot of factors that have gone into this, including but not limited to: 1) "American sized" amounts of money being dumped into a "Mexico sized" economy. 2) (related to the above) The increased utility of any bribe to somebody living in Mexico. (we see this phenomenon in developing nations across the world^). 3) Comparative resources available to the police forces. 4) Pressure from the US to overextend the Mexican police force. etc. To boil this all down to "the police aren't doing their jobs" is a huge mistake. EDIT: ^Apologies, it seems Mexico is now considered a "newly industrialized nation", as of 2011. I don't think this effects my point however.
- rick888 15y ago
  "2) (related to the above) The increased tility of any brbe to somebody living in Mexico. (we see this phenomenon in developing nations across the world)." Which is what I said. The reason the US isn't third-world is because most cops don't accept bribes. This sort of behavior infects society as a whole. "3) Comparative resources available to the police forces." Why are they out of resources? We need to figure things out if we ever want to stop it. "4) Pressure from the US to overextend the Mexican police force." It's because the violence and crime is spilling over to the US side of things. If they were stopping these guys, I don't think we would need to overextend anything. Does the US over-extend Canada's police force? "To boil this all down to "the police aren't doing their jobs" is a huge mistake." The police aren't doing their job because of a systematic problem of corruption. So I suppose it's just a symptom of a greater problem, but it still doesn't change the fact that there is a huge corruption problem with the Mexican police.

scythe 15y ago

>What about the increase in corruption in Mexico? An increase in corruption means more criminals can have drug businesses without being stopped by the cops. The article isn't about why prices went down, it's about why violence went down. If corruption leads to lower prices and less violence, corruption is a good thing.