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streaming video, streaming audio, socket connections, fast 3d(soon), advertising, webcam support, mic support, clipboard manipulation, install base... youtube,

streaming video, streaming audio, socket connections, fast 3d(soon), advertising, webcam support, mic support, clipboard manipulation, install base... youtube, rdio, pandora, hulu, kongregate, flickr, imgur, github, googledocs, every site that has ads... There's a ton of money made off flash these days. No one's saying you have to use it, but lets be a little realistic with ourselves.

JayeshSidhwani 15y ago
Audio/Video Streaming is something for which Flash would be really needed. I don't see HTML5 devs talking about live streaming yet.
- Andrex 15y ago
  True, but that doesn't mean it isn't being talked about at all: http://www.webrtc.org/ http://www.webrtc.org/
  - secretbatcave 15y ago
    Talked about != implementation 3D graphics directly in the browser has been talked about for well over 15 years, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML for example Java for another.
  - JayeshSidhwani 15y ago
    This is very good, no doubt. But what really worries me is that there has to be a browser engine implementation, different for every browser being used. The devs have come up with the browser engine for Opera, FF but only for the latest versions. And, no one is talking about the great IE's. When I go in a production environment for a product, I cannot really keep a limitation on the browsers/or more so their versions. Once, this trouble is sorted, WebRTC looks goody.
- Okvivi 15y ago
  Here's a very good read (granted, a year old) about Flash vs. HTML5 at Youtube. http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html
JoshTriplett 15y ago
> streaming video, streaming audio Partly works now if you don't need much control over it, or if you do work on the server to split the media into chunks. Full streaming support in progress, see WebRTC and other ongoing work. > socket connections See WebSocket, which has gone through some initial hiccups but otherwise works fine. > fast 3d WebGL provides 3D which runs as fast as the user's system can handle. > advertising Don't care. "The web still has ads?" But for the sake of argument: iframe, javascript, arbitrary web content just as capable as any other webpage. > webcam support, mic support In progress. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video-conferencing-and-peer-to-peer-communication.html#video-conferencing-and-peer-to-peer-communication http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/... https://jboriss.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/enabling-real-time-communication-on-the-web-platform/ https://jboriss.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/enabling-real-time-... And on a related note, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/input#Image_capture_from_cameras https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/input#Image_ca... > clipboard manipulation Already exists in JavaScript, just blocked in modern browsers for privacy reasons. Needs to become another grantable permission, like geolocation, but I suspect it just hasn't become prominent enough on the radar yet compared to other features. > install base By definition smaller than the install base of web browsers. The proportion continues to decrease as mobile devices become more widespread. > youtube, rdio, pandora, hulu, kongregate, flickr, imgur, github, googledocs, every site that has ads... https://www.youtube.com/html5 https://www.youtube.com/html5, http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/16/pandora-radios-html5-redesign-hands-on/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/16/pandora-radios-html5-rede..., github only uses it for the clipboard, never seen flash on flickr, imgur, or google docs, the web still has ads?
- gerggerg 15y ago
  never seen flash on flickr, imgur, or google uploader piece with progress bar and other small components. just cos you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
  - JoshTriplett 15y ago
    Let me put it this way: I don't have the flash plugin installed, and I can still make use of this functionality perfectly, so apparently they do proper fallbacks. imgur, for instance, seems to have an excellent HTML5 image uploader and editor.

JayeshSidhwani 15y ago

Audio/Video Streaming is something for which Flash would be really needed. I don't see HTML5 devs talking about live streaming yet.

Andrex 15y ago
True, but that doesn't mean it isn't being talked about at all: http://www.webrtc.org/ http://www.webrtc.org/
- secretbatcave 15y ago
  Talked about != implementation 3D graphics directly in the browser has been talked about for well over 15 years, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML for example Java for another.
- JayeshSidhwani 15y ago
  This is very good, no doubt. But what really worries me is that there has to be a browser engine implementation, different for every browser being used. The devs have come up with the browser engine for Opera, FF but only for the latest versions. And, no one is talking about the great IE's. When I go in a production environment for a product, I cannot really keep a limitation on the browsers/or more so their versions. Once, this trouble is sorted, WebRTC looks goody.
Okvivi 15y ago
Here's a very good read (granted, a year old) about Flash vs. HTML5 at Youtube. http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html

JoshTriplett 15y ago

> streaming video, streaming audio Partly works now if you don't need much control over it, or if you do work on the server to split the media into chunks. Full streaming support in progress, see WebRTC and other ongoing work. > socket connections See WebSocket, which has gone through some initial hiccups but otherwise works fine. > fast 3d WebGL provides 3D which runs as fast as the user's system can handle. > advertising Don't care. "The web still has ads?" But for the sake of argument: iframe, javascript, arbitrary web content just as capable as any other webpage. > webcam support, mic support In progress. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/video-conferencing-and-peer-to-peer-communication.html#video-conferencing-and-peer-to-peer-communication http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/... https://jboriss.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/enabling-real-time-communication-on-the-web-platform/ https://jboriss.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/enabling-real-time-... And on a related note, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/input#Image_capture_from_cameras https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/input#Image_ca... > clipboard manipulation Already exists in JavaScript, just blocked in modern browsers for privacy reasons. Needs to become another grantable permission, like geolocation, but I suspect it just hasn't become prominent enough on the radar yet compared to other features. > install base By definition smaller than the install base of web browsers. The proportion continues to decrease as mobile devices become more widespread. > youtube, rdio, pandora, hulu, kongregate, flickr, imgur, github, googledocs, every site that has ads... https://www.youtube.com/html5 https://www.youtube.com/html5, http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/16/pandora-radios-html5-redesign-hands-on/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/16/pandora-radios-html5-rede..., github only uses it for the clipboard, never seen flash on flickr, imgur, or google docs, the web still has ads?

gerggerg 15y ago
never seen flash on flickr, imgur, or google uploader piece with progress bar and other small components. just cos you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
- JoshTriplett 15y ago
  Let me put it this way: I don't have the flash plugin installed, and I can still make use of this functionality perfectly, so apparently they do proper fallbacks. imgur, for instance, seems to have an excellent HTML5 image uploader and editor.