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America's proxy war in the Ukraine, while full of video-op content from state media about kids with high tech weapons killing other kids in tin cans makes it se

America's proxy war in the Ukraine, while full of video-op content from state media about kids with high tech weapons killing other kids in tin cans makes it seem like the good guys are winning. Everyone loses. Alpha Go plus some drone kit from aliexpress and banggood is the start of WW3. If America does anything well, it is blowback. Russia's utter dysfunction would and should have been a long term strategic asset, but we burned it in Ukraine. Good technologists are globally distributed, everyone know where this is going and it will only cost a buck oh five. Often times, the winning move is not to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiD86FtF2x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiD86FtF2x0

dredmorbius 4y ago
Leading your response with a gross mischaracterisation of a Russian war of aggression ... somewhat overwhelms any point you might have been trying to make here. Who is "we"? Good technologists ... tend to migrate toward attractive remuneration and/or sociopolitical environments, circumstances permitting.
- Nomentatus 4y ago
  There can be proxy wars in which one side is acting on the defence, I don't know if that's what your interlocutor had in mind or how pure his intentions are, but there can be. This is an odd case where the proxy isn't attacking and Russia is unlikely to be a proxy for China, granted. I glanced at the youtube he linked to but didn't start it up. Too vague and blustery and idiosyncratic to warrant my time.
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    Again, focus on this point derails the initial discussion with little basis or relevance to the matter at hand: role, relevance, and origin of drone warfare, for a flamebait emphasis which HN guidelines specifically advise against.
    - Nomentatus 4y ago
      Noting the definition of proxy doesn't always imply aggression? I'm therefore trying to stop a fork due to a perhaps misunderstood comment taking us into other territory.
- sitkack 4y ago
  I didn't say who the aggressor was. With the west, "we" are pumping in billions of aid and the US DoD and the State Department finally getting to fight Russia without having to fight Russia, we have a proxy war. But ignore I said that, because it tangential to the point I was making and the point you ignored. Good technologists are everywhere on the planet. This is a supporting comment in that "the good guys" don't have a monopoly on the ability to create hyper-lethal, extremely low cost automated weapons. The point which didn't land, is that the war in Ukraine, regardless of how we got there is funded by two parties and is being technologically participated in by many more. America is really good at blowback, like that is all we export. The low-cost, high-enough drone and autonomous weapons that are created during this war will have huge implications. Something we should have thought about before going down this path.

dredmorbius 4y ago

Leading your response with a gross mischaracterisation of a Russian war of aggression ... somewhat overwhelms any point you might have been trying to make here. Who is "we"? Good technologists ... tend to migrate toward attractive remuneration and/or sociopolitical environments, circumstances permitting.

Nomentatus 4y ago
There can be proxy wars in which one side is acting on the defence, I don't know if that's what your interlocutor had in mind or how pure his intentions are, but there can be. This is an odd case where the proxy isn't attacking and Russia is unlikely to be a proxy for China, granted. I glanced at the youtube he linked to but didn't start it up. Too vague and blustery and idiosyncratic to warrant my time.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  Again, focus on this point derails the initial discussion with little basis or relevance to the matter at hand: role, relevance, and origin of drone warfare, for a flamebait emphasis which HN guidelines specifically advise against.
  - Nomentatus 4y ago
    Noting the definition of proxy doesn't always imply aggression? I'm therefore trying to stop a fork due to a perhaps misunderstood comment taking us into other territory.
sitkack 4y ago
I didn't say who the aggressor was. With the west, "we" are pumping in billions of aid and the US DoD and the State Department finally getting to fight Russia without having to fight Russia, we have a proxy war. But ignore I said that, because it tangential to the point I was making and the point you ignored. Good technologists are everywhere on the planet. This is a supporting comment in that "the good guys" don't have a monopoly on the ability to create hyper-lethal, extremely low cost automated weapons. The point which didn't land, is that the war in Ukraine, regardless of how we got there is funded by two parties and is being technologically participated in by many more. America is really good at blowback, like that is all we export. The low-cost, high-enough drone and autonomous weapons that are created during this war will have huge implications. Something we should have thought about before going down this path.