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Why did you feel the need to comment this on something entirely unrelated?

by aaomidi 4y ago

YourFriend87 4y ago
- happytoexplain 4y ago
  I think it's misleading to say that "men can't have babies" is taboo. What you're actually referring to is a semantic argument about gender identity, and the one-sentence version just omits that context so it can "look" objectively true.
  - YourFriend87 4y ago
    - happytoexplain 4y ago
      If I admit that it's taboo, I've proved you wrong? That's backwards. Or if I admit that a biological man can't have a baby? Which, yes, I do admit (barring sci-fi-ish implant science I'm not informed on), but that doesn't prove you wrong either. Regardless, I'm confused about your point - if you're referring to people who literally think that biological men can have babies, it's hard to believe that you think they are so prevalent that they pervade all of public space. Unless you just mean that the unqualified act of declaring they can't in public will provoke a negative reaction, which seems reasonable - without context, that declaration is most often used as part of an implication that we should hate or mistreat certain people, whereas I, for example, am saying it in an honest/relevant (in my opinion) context.
      - YourFriend87 4y ago
        staticman2 4y ago
        "One sees cartoons of pregnant men, and yet that is impossible for a biological man. True or false?" To interject in this conversation: if this sentence really is "taboo" I'd argue it's perhaps because you are not using the currently accepted term, like a person who insists on saying "negro" instead of "African American". Or perhaps it's taboo because you bring it up at weird moments. I just watched an episode of Family Guy where family patriarch Peter Griffith says "I won't be in the next few storylines because I am real life pregnant." The show is a cartoon, so the joke is both that he's "real life" anything (which is impossible) and also suddenly inexplicably being written as female. But if you watched that episode with friends and start ranting about how Peter Griffith, cartoon character, can't get "real life" pregnant cause he's biologically male, people might think there's something socially off about you because that's a pretty odd reaction to a Family Guy joke.
        YourFriend87 4y ago
        Is it "taboo" or isn't it? Maybe just skip the ad hominem stuff and the silly analogies. > you are not using the currently accepted term I think you mean the term that you use. Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used, with the understanding that exceptions do occur.
        staticman2 4y ago
        To recap: you used the nonstandard term "biological man". I responded that biological man wasn't the currently accepted term people use. You then claimed "Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used" with the term "biological man" mysteriously dropped from the response as if you realized how ridiculous it would sound if you claimed most people went around using the nonstandard term "biological man" but you felt like arguing with me for whatever reason anyway as if I wasn't going to notice you suddenly dropping the nonstandard term you were using when you responded to the statement I made about the nonstandard term you were using.
        4y ago

Why did you feel the need to comment this on something entirely unrelated?

YourFriend87 4y ago

happytoexplain 4y ago
I think it's misleading to say that "men can't have babies" is taboo. What you're actually referring to is a semantic argument about gender identity, and the one-sentence version just omits that context so it can "look" objectively true.
- YourFriend87 4y ago
  - happytoexplain 4y ago
    If I admit that it's taboo, I've proved you wrong? That's backwards. Or if I admit that a biological man can't have a baby? Which, yes, I do admit (barring sci-fi-ish implant science I'm not informed on), but that doesn't prove you wrong either. Regardless, I'm confused about your point - if you're referring to people who literally think that biological men can have babies, it's hard to believe that you think they are so prevalent that they pervade all of public space. Unless you just mean that the unqualified act of declaring they can't in public will provoke a negative reaction, which seems reasonable - without context, that declaration is most often used as part of an implication that we should hate or mistreat certain people, whereas I, for example, am saying it in an honest/relevant (in my opinion) context.
    - YourFriend87 4y ago
      - staticman2 4y ago
        "One sees cartoons of pregnant men, and yet that is impossible for a biological man. True or false?" To interject in this conversation: if this sentence really is "taboo" I'd argue it's perhaps because you are not using the currently accepted term, like a person who insists on saying "negro" instead of "African American". Or perhaps it's taboo because you bring it up at weird moments. I just watched an episode of Family Guy where family patriarch Peter Griffith says "I won't be in the next few storylines because I am real life pregnant." The show is a cartoon, so the joke is both that he's "real life" anything (which is impossible) and also suddenly inexplicably being written as female. But if you watched that episode with friends and start ranting about how Peter Griffith, cartoon character, can't get "real life" pregnant cause he's biologically male, people might think there's something socially off about you because that's a pretty odd reaction to a Family Guy joke.
        YourFriend87 4y ago
        Is it "taboo" or isn't it? Maybe just skip the ad hominem stuff and the silly analogies. > you are not using the currently accepted term I think you mean the term that you use. Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used, with the understanding that exceptions do occur.
        staticman2 4y ago
        To recap: you used the nonstandard term "biological man". I responded that biological man wasn't the currently accepted term people use. You then claimed "Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used" with the term "biological man" mysteriously dropped from the response as if you realized how ridiculous it would sound if you claimed most people went around using the nonstandard term "biological man" but you felt like arguing with me for whatever reason anyway as if I wasn't going to notice you suddenly dropping the nonstandard term you were using when you responded to the statement I made about the nonstandard term you were using.
        4y ago