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- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and t

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone.

mmh0000 4y ago
A better way to think of it, is: Here comes F-Droid to further enhance iOS with privacy respecting applications
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  I really want f-droid to keep doing the good job and not buckle under some corporate bs pressure. It must remain independent.
root_axis 4y ago
Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?
- wyager 4y ago
  Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    Very happy to bet against you on that ;) Android has multiple app stores, but the kind of app you're describing doesn't require installing an alternative one.
  - root_axis 4y ago
    You're suggesting the government would distribute their vaccine passport app exclusively through Meta? Why would they do that?
    - idontpost 4y ago
      Corruption. It's still a nonsensical fear, but that would be the reason.
- _rend 4y ago
  My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them. I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in what apps my family around the world uses, so I'm stuck with WhatsApp. The choice for me would either be to cut contact with dozens of family members, or enable the Meta App Store. My hope is that if Apple is forced to allow 3rd-party app stores, they'll make it possible to even more strictly sandbox apps from those stores somehow.
  - dustyharddrive 4y ago
    What App Store privacy rules are you concerned about?
    - _rend 4y ago
      I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're asking about, but submitting an app to the App Store currently performs pretty stringent checks on things the app does — including automated scanning for usage of private system APIs and ensuring that apps include appropriate reasons for asking for access to private data (contacts, photos, location data, etc.). Without certain forms of review, it's much easier for apps to exploit weaknesses (whether in the OS, frameworks, the user, etc.), and I can't imagine that Meta would self-regulate any more than they are forced to now. Their apps and SDKs already hoover up as much data as the system will silently allow, but I'd rather not be forced to expand my device to them, if possible.
      - dustyharddrive 4y ago
        Automated scanning is already accomplished outside the App Store on macOS via notarization.
  - Teever 4y ago
    I share your concerns but the immediate response I have to them is "needs more regulation." We shouldn't let Meta take advantage of regulations towards Apple. We should use it as an opportunity to write more regulation of both of these entities for the purpose of serving the end user.
e63f67dd-065b 4y ago
I think this worry is overblown. We already have this on android, and FB/WhatsApp are still on the Google App Store. FB could start an alternative FB App Store tomorrow on android much more than they can on iOS and it’s been shown that nobody bothers.
dvngnt_ 4y ago
> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." > Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( > I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone. > - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." > Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( > I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone. i value choice. no one is forcing you to download meta
- owlbite 4y ago
  Well, at least not until your employer/kids school/other entity you don't really have a choice about forces it down your throat.
rtpg 4y ago
I don’t think this means that the iOS permissions system doesn’t stay in place. This is basically “you can’t just allowlist certain phone features to your own software”

mmh0000 4y ago

A better way to think of it, is: Here comes F-Droid to further enhance iOS with privacy respecting applications

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
I really want f-droid to keep doing the good job and not buckle under some corporate bs pressure. It must remain independent.

root_axis 4y ago

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

wyager 4y ago
Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.
- jefftk 4y ago
  Very happy to bet against you on that ;) Android has multiple app stores, but the kind of app you're describing doesn't require installing an alternative one.
- root_axis 4y ago
  You're suggesting the government would distribute their vaccine passport app exclusively through Meta? Why would they do that?
  - idontpost 4y ago
    Corruption. It's still a nonsensical fear, but that would be the reason.
_rend 4y ago
My gut feeling is that there's a nontrivial chance that the moment 3rd-party app stores are available on iOS, Meta will immediately move their apps to one to work around privacy limitations the App Store currently imposes on them. I also strongly suspect that one of those apps would be WhatsApp, which is an app that a not-insignificant portion of the world uses to communicate. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice in what apps my family around the world uses, so I'm stuck with WhatsApp. The choice for me would either be to cut contact with dozens of family members, or enable the Meta App Store. My hope is that if Apple is forced to allow 3rd-party app stores, they'll make it possible to even more strictly sandbox apps from those stores somehow.
- dustyharddrive 4y ago
  What App Store privacy rules are you concerned about?
  - _rend 4y ago
    I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're asking about, but submitting an app to the App Store currently performs pretty stringent checks on things the app does — including automated scanning for usage of private system APIs and ensuring that apps include appropriate reasons for asking for access to private data (contacts, photos, location data, etc.). Without certain forms of review, it's much easier for apps to exploit weaknesses (whether in the OS, frameworks, the user, etc.), and I can't imagine that Meta would self-regulate any more than they are forced to now. Their apps and SDKs already hoover up as much data as the system will silently allow, but I'd rather not be forced to expand my device to them, if possible.
    - dustyharddrive 4y ago
      Automated scanning is already accomplished outside the App Store on macOS via notarization.
- Teever 4y ago
  I share your concerns but the immediate response I have to them is "needs more regulation." We shouldn't let Meta take advantage of regulations towards Apple. We should use it as an opportunity to write more regulation of both of these entities for the purpose of serving the end user.

e63f67dd-065b 4y ago

I think this worry is overblown. We already have this on android, and FB/WhatsApp are still on the Google App Store. FB could start an alternative FB App Store tomorrow on android much more than they can on iOS and it’s been shown that nobody bothers.

dvngnt_ 4y ago

> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." > Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( > I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone. > - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." > Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( > I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone. i value choice. no one is forcing you to download meta

owlbite 4y ago
Well, at least not until your employer/kids school/other entity you don't really have a choice about forces it down your throat.

rtpg 4y ago

I don’t think this means that the iOS permissions system doesn’t stay in place. This is basically “you can’t just allowlist certain phone features to your own software”