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mRNA COVID treatment is a great example in the loss of trust in media, institutions, and each other. By suppressing and censoring information, I believe we hav

mRNA COVID treatment is a great example in the loss of trust in media, institutions, and each other. By suppressing and censoring information, I believe we have lost so much trust and good will. I know I have lost a lot of trust in medical authorities. We would have been a lot better off allowing all parties to publish data and analysis, and stress critical thinking skills to the public. Suppression and censorship lead to mistrust. Yes this means people will form their own opinions and we won't have uniform decision making. But what public policies actually need 90% compliance to be effective? I can only think of a few extreme examples.

boxed 4y ago
> But what public policies actually need 90% compliance to be effective? I can only think of a few extreme examples. I can think of one: a pandemic.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  According to Dr. Fauci, you only need 70%. Are you questioning his expert knowledge?
  - boxed 4y ago
    Well.. 70% was the absolute minimum to get ANY herd immunity. But 90% would have been much much better!
- jpadkins 4y ago
  Yes, a pandemic with a high IFR and a treatment that prevents transmission. We had neither this last pandemic.
  - boxed 4y ago
    Yes. We did.
thanatosmin 4y ago
What exactly is the information "censored and suppressed" with regard to the mRNA COVID vaccines?
- NullPrefix 4y ago
  - thanatosmin 4y ago
    I genuinely asked in good faith and interest. If posting publicly is your concern my email is easy to find from my profile.
    - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
      Why should anyone believe you won't pass that email, along with the address of the sender, to people with nefarious intent? Good faith would be to do a simple web search, or reflect on events in society for the past year and a half, that would give you at least some sense of the answer. No need for anyone to risk being on the incorrect side of the same mob that came for anyone who dared speak of the lab leak theory. Google, Bing, Yandex, and others are ready for your query.
- akomtu 4y ago
  Side effects of these vaccines is a big one. Their necessity is the other one.
  - palmetieri2000 4y ago
    Sauce, source, sawce, s0rce, I'm out of variations but if you make a claim post a source. The previous commenter has been downvoted for (rightfully) asking for evidence to accompany its claims, you double down on providing no evidence and making even larger claims. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but if you make a claim and don't provide evidence you have presented a non-argument.
someNameIG 4y ago
As a biologist a lot of the informations that people have complained about being censored isn't just differences of opinion, but statements that have no basis in reality, e.g. the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. And large misunderstandings of things like TBA/VAERS adverse event reporting.
tresqotheq 4y ago
> I know I have lost a lot of trust in medical authorities. If you do some introspection, you ll find that you originally had no reason to trust them in the first place. You trusted them because you assigned attributes such as conscience, morality etc that can be reasonabily attributed to one human being. But these authorities are mobs, a group of humans, and you cannot never expect a mob to have a conscience.
fzeroracer 4y ago
The weirdest thing I always find with posts by skeptics is that I almost always notice a history of defending treatments like Ivermectin and yet seemingly never follow-ups losing faith in the charlatans or institutions that were falsely pushing said treatments. It's always very specifically the one treatment that's been confirmed to work. Parties did publish data and every single treatment pushed by skeptics fell apart because none of it had any real scientific basis behind it. The 'censorship' occurred because people started buying into false treatments opening up companies to serious liability when people start drinking bleach as a COVID cure because some popular influencer on YouTube marketed it as a miracle cure.
- tresqotheq 4y ago
  > and yet seemingly never follow-ups What do you mean?

boxed 4y ago

> But what public policies actually need 90% compliance to be effective? I can only think of a few extreme examples. I can think of one: a pandemic.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
According to Dr. Fauci, you only need 70%. Are you questioning his expert knowledge?
- boxed 4y ago
  Well.. 70% was the absolute minimum to get ANY herd immunity. But 90% would have been much much better!
jpadkins 4y ago
Yes, a pandemic with a high IFR and a treatment that prevents transmission. We had neither this last pandemic.
- boxed 4y ago
  Yes. We did.

thanatosmin 4y ago

What exactly is the information "censored and suppressed" with regard to the mRNA COVID vaccines?

NullPrefix 4y ago
- thanatosmin 4y ago
  I genuinely asked in good faith and interest. If posting publicly is your concern my email is easy to find from my profile.
  - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
    Why should anyone believe you won't pass that email, along with the address of the sender, to people with nefarious intent? Good faith would be to do a simple web search, or reflect on events in society for the past year and a half, that would give you at least some sense of the answer. No need for anyone to risk being on the incorrect side of the same mob that came for anyone who dared speak of the lab leak theory. Google, Bing, Yandex, and others are ready for your query.
akomtu 4y ago
Side effects of these vaccines is a big one. Their necessity is the other one.
- palmetieri2000 4y ago
  Sauce, source, sawce, s0rce, I'm out of variations but if you make a claim post a source. The previous commenter has been downvoted for (rightfully) asking for evidence to accompany its claims, you double down on providing no evidence and making even larger claims. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but if you make a claim and don't provide evidence you have presented a non-argument.

someNameIG 4y ago

As a biologist a lot of the informations that people have complained about being censored isn't just differences of opinion, but statements that have no basis in reality, e.g. the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. And large misunderstandings of things like TBA/VAERS adverse event reporting.

tresqotheq 4y ago

> I know I have lost a lot of trust in medical authorities. If you do some introspection, you ll find that you originally had no reason to trust them in the first place. You trusted them because you assigned attributes such as conscience, morality etc that can be reasonabily attributed to one human being. But these authorities are mobs, a group of humans, and you cannot never expect a mob to have a conscience.

fzeroracer 4y ago

The weirdest thing I always find with posts by skeptics is that I almost always notice a history of defending treatments like Ivermectin and yet seemingly never follow-ups losing faith in the charlatans or institutions that were falsely pushing said treatments. It's always very specifically the one treatment that's been confirmed to work. Parties did publish data and every single treatment pushed by skeptics fell apart because none of it had any real scientific basis behind it. The 'censorship' occurred because people started buying into false treatments opening up companies to serious liability when people start drinking bleach as a COVID cure because some popular influencer on YouTube marketed it as a miracle cure.

tresqotheq 4y ago
> and yet seemingly never follow-ups What do you mean?