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Why is it called Aztec though?

kmm 4y ago
Aztec pyramids have a characteristic stair-stepped design, which when viewed from atop probably looks reminiscent of a tiling. A similar story probably applies to Aztec Codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Code
- School-Cotton 4y ago
  That's true of all or most Mesoamerican pyramids as far as I know, not just Aztec ones. (Mayan, Teotihuacano, etc.) I suppose the Aztecs are the most famous Mesoamerican group in the popular imagination, though.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > I suppose the Aztecs are the most famous Mesoamerican group in the popular imagination, though. Maybe, but they're not famous for pyramids. I would always say Maya if the prompt was American pyramids.
    - monetus 4y ago
      There is a map in counterstrike named Aztec with a stepped pyramid. I always think of mortarless marvels like macchu Picchu when I think of Mayan architecture. - just an anecdote
      - thaumasiotes 4y ago
        But Machu Picchu is an Inca city. Here's a Maya city: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichen_Itza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichen_Itza
        monetus 4y ago
        This is true, and thanks for reminding me about chichen itza, but I just wanted to emphasize how blurry the cultural lines are to the people around me - at least where I am in the Appalachias. My city has Mayans with Mayan restaurants. Not too long ago though, a kid told me he had thought the Mayans all died out, like the Romans he said. Sorry, this is all kinda tangential. That kind of blurriness is something I'm super interested in.
        School-Cotton 4y ago
        Yeah, it seems to be a relatively common (false) belief that the Mayans died out or even mysteriously disappeared. In reality their “classical” civilization declined and was eventually completely conquered by Spain, but as you point out, the people are still around. There are still millions of ethnic Mayans, who still speak Mayan languages, primarily in Guatemala and to a lesser extent in Mexico. The Incas were separated from the Mayans by thousands of miles of jungle (and their civilization reached its height hundreds of years after the Mayan decline). It’s unlikely they had much direct contact, if any. For what it’s worth the Romans didn’t die out either, again their civilization declined but their cultural and biological descendants are alive and well in the form of Italians, Spaniards, etc.
        cwillu 4y ago
        So what you're saying is the Mayans were conquered by the Romans? “Not exactly, no…” TIL the Mayans were actually conquered by the Romans! “‹gives up›”
    - samatman 4y ago
      I disagree, the Pyramid of the Sun is the third largest pyramid after two at Giza, is near Mexico City, and has been well known for longer than the impressive Maya pyramids, which were buried in jungle and remain fairly far from population centers.
      - siriaan 4y ago
        The Pyramid of the Sun and the other pyramids of Teotihuacan actually predate the Aztecs by over a thousand years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan
        samatman 4y ago
        That's true. It's still the case that the Aztec are famous for it, and for other pyramids, most notably the Templo Mayor, which was destroyed (and good riddance) to build Mexico City's cathedral. "Acshually, the Pyramid of the Sun is pre-Aztec!" is a bit like insisting the Coliseum isn't Italian. It's not that it's wrong, just autistic and annoying.
        School-Cotton 4y ago
        FWIW, I agree with the other poster in that I don’t associate Teotihuacán with the Aztecs, and I think your rudeness is misplaced. The analogy to the Coliseum is imprecise, because the Italians are the descendants of the ancient Romans, rather than a new group who migrated in later. A better analogy would be saying that the Hagia Sophia isn’t Turkish, and indeed I’d argue that it isn’t.

kmm 4y ago

Aztec pyramids have a characteristic stair-stepped design, which when viewed from atop probably looks reminiscent of a tiling. A similar story probably applies to Aztec Codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Code

School-Cotton 4y ago
That's true of all or most Mesoamerican pyramids as far as I know, not just Aztec ones. (Mayan, Teotihuacano, etc.) I suppose the Aztecs are the most famous Mesoamerican group in the popular imagination, though.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > I suppose the Aztecs are the most famous Mesoamerican group in the popular imagination, though. Maybe, but they're not famous for pyramids. I would always say Maya if the prompt was American pyramids.
  - monetus 4y ago
    There is a map in counterstrike named Aztec with a stepped pyramid. I always think of mortarless marvels like macchu Picchu when I think of Mayan architecture. - just an anecdote
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      But Machu Picchu is an Inca city. Here's a Maya city: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichen_Itza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichen_Itza
      - monetus 4y ago
        This is true, and thanks for reminding me about chichen itza, but I just wanted to emphasize how blurry the cultural lines are to the people around me - at least where I am in the Appalachias. My city has Mayans with Mayan restaurants. Not too long ago though, a kid told me he had thought the Mayans all died out, like the Romans he said. Sorry, this is all kinda tangential. That kind of blurriness is something I'm super interested in.
        School-Cotton 4y ago
        Yeah, it seems to be a relatively common (false) belief that the Mayans died out or even mysteriously disappeared. In reality their “classical” civilization declined and was eventually completely conquered by Spain, but as you point out, the people are still around. There are still millions of ethnic Mayans, who still speak Mayan languages, primarily in Guatemala and to a lesser extent in Mexico. The Incas were separated from the Mayans by thousands of miles of jungle (and their civilization reached its height hundreds of years after the Mayan decline). It’s unlikely they had much direct contact, if any. For what it’s worth the Romans didn’t die out either, again their civilization declined but their cultural and biological descendants are alive and well in the form of Italians, Spaniards, etc.
        cwillu 4y ago
        So what you're saying is the Mayans were conquered by the Romans? “Not exactly, no…” TIL the Mayans were actually conquered by the Romans! “‹gives up›”
  - samatman 4y ago
    I disagree, the Pyramid of the Sun is the third largest pyramid after two at Giza, is near Mexico City, and has been well known for longer than the impressive Maya pyramids, which were buried in jungle and remain fairly far from population centers.
    - siriaan 4y ago
      The Pyramid of the Sun and the other pyramids of Teotihuacan actually predate the Aztecs by over a thousand years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan
      - samatman 4y ago
        That's true. It's still the case that the Aztec are famous for it, and for other pyramids, most notably the Templo Mayor, which was destroyed (and good riddance) to build Mexico City's cathedral. "Acshually, the Pyramid of the Sun is pre-Aztec!" is a bit like insisting the Coliseum isn't Italian. It's not that it's wrong, just autistic and annoying.
        School-Cotton 4y ago
        FWIW, I agree with the other poster in that I don’t associate Teotihuacán with the Aztecs, and I think your rudeness is misplaced. The analogy to the Coliseum is imprecise, because the Italians are the descendants of the ancient Romans, rather than a new group who migrated in later. A better analogy would be saying that the Hagia Sophia isn’t Turkish, and indeed I’d argue that it isn’t.