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“I guarantee that every single person who liked and shared that post about bringing Instagram back to what it was, would spend way less time on Instagram if it
by mnd999 4y ago
“I guarantee that every single person who liked and shared that post about bringing Instagram back to what it was, would spend way less time on Instagram if it reverted back to how it used to be”
Sure, because they could get the information they want without having to wade through the mountains of crap you’re pumping out of the septic tank into your users faces. You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown.
- Strom 4y agoYou have a good point that would stand even stronger without the name calling.
- t_mann 4y agoI have a feeling that from Meta's perspective, that is the right metric. It's probably also a decent metric for that guy, because his influencer business depends on people wading through his content.
- _2d30 4y agoTommy Marcus, the content creator from Brooklyn, probably doesn't get much of a say in what Meta optimizes for. Glad you got your insult in, though!
- thatguy0900 4y agoHe has a say on what he says about metas feed optimization though, and he clearly supports where their headed now. That's fair to criticize, even if the insult is a little heated.
- _2d30 4y agoIt's not clear that he supports it. It's clear that he thinks users will spend more time on Instagram. Tommy's say on Instagram's product choices is probably about equivalent to my say which is to say no say.
- cowtools 4y agoTommy Marcus, the content creator from Brooklyn profits from his instagram fame. Of course he wants the company do to well even if it's at the cost of the users. He does have a say in the way that facebook acts because he has leverage through his popularity. Not to mention that he is going on the news giving apologia to the corporation. And you're saying we should we should just twiddle our thumbs and not contest his ridiculous ideas because he's not a shareholder or something?
- _2d30 4y agoSure, because they could get the information they want without having to wade through the mountains of crap you’re pumping out of the septic tank into your users faces. You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown. Tommy doesn't optimize Instagram metrics. Instagram does. Tommy doesn't have users. Instagram does. Tommy doesn't pump "mountains of crap out of the septic tank into" users faces. Instagram does. Tommy pumps out whatever content he wants to the people who follow him. It's clear from the quote that OP thinks Tommy works at Instagram and is criticizing what he think is an Instagram employee. It's not even apologia for Instagram, it's just Tommy's statement of belief that Instagram won't be negatively impacting users' time spent with these changes. There's no value statement at all from Tommy. It's not even a "ridiculous idea". It's just that Tommy thinks these changes will increase users' time spent on Instagram. You're just imputing mountains of additional context into what he says.
- bowsamic 4y ago"We listened to the customers and they were wrong"
- go_elmo 4y agoYou seem to forget that the user is the product, this is all not about his pleasure. As a publicly traded company you may not counter act this.
- joe_the_user 4y agoYou’re optimising the wrong metric... They're optimizing for the metric that suits their interests. It occurs to me that Facebook and related companies may well become the equivalent of ransomware companies - controlling more and more of the world's information and making more and more abusive demands for access to it.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoInterestingly, I remember when Facebook made a similar change to their feed, it was about 12-15 years ago, where they essentially made it much more like Twitter. I absolutely despised it, I still despise it to this day, and I think it was the point where I realized how social networks are all actively out to basically destroy you (I'm being hyperbolic, but only slightly). That is, if they really wanted to make it easy for you to connect and share with friends, or maybe meet some new ones (remember Facebook's "poke" feature?), they could easily do that. But they've found they are much better at the endless scroll of mindless WALL-E human crap, having optimized the right brain chemicals to make you feel like you can keep boredom at bay with one more upward swipe. The only winning move is not to play.
- xtracto 4y agoI want the social network equivalent of "slow food": All social networks try to optimise for very the wrong metrics for the users, but right metrics for their customers (advertisers). I want a social network where it is OK for people to sporadically add vanal posts. A social network that does not prioritize outrage or contention. And a social network were my close circle is actually discoverable, with high SNR.
- colinmhayes 4y agoExcept time spent on instagram is exactly the metric they care about. More time spent scrolling = more ads served.
- dang 4y agoCould you please follow the site guidelines when posting here? Note this one: "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Similarly, 'You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown' can be shortened to 'You’re optimising the wrong metric'. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html