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This is not limited to Alexa or seemingly unnecessary tech gadgets. This includes ALL your data. Gmail, Google, Android. So unless you're opting for iOs (prov

This is not limited to Alexa or seemingly unnecessary tech gadgets. This includes ALL your data. Gmail, Google, Android. So unless you're opting for iOs (provided they're not doing the same as Google here) and not using Gmail or Google you're still falling under "Surveilled by the gov via tech company who serves their interests and not yours, even if you pay money for their services".

yaomtc 4y ago
OR you can opt for a version of Android without the proprietary bits like GrapheneOS.
- redblacktree 4y ago
  How accessible is that to your grandmother? Can you walk her through the process? (Are you willing to, given that now you'll be called if anything goes wrong?)
  - yaomtc 4y ago
    Who said anything about grandmothers? GrapheneOS isn't for everyone. Neither is iOS, or Android with Google, or the Pinephone/Librem 5. And that is fine. It's good to have options.
    - redblacktree 4y ago
      What I was trying to imply is that privacy should be for everyone, not just those who are technically capable enough to install an alternative OS on their phone.
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bushbaba 4y ago
This is why Apple is going to continue to crush it. They can build a subpar equivalent to google services and a large portion of the tech world will adopt it for its privacy benefits. The 'tech world' is a large influencer to the general public, leading to further penetration. It's a great strategy as Google makes 80%+ of it's revenue from Ads, and their ad model does not work well with a privacy first mindset. Apple designs with privacy in mind. Google designs with invasiveness.
- lapetitejort 4y ago
  It should be noted that Apple also has an ad wing that brought in $4 billion in 2021 [0]. 0: https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-revenue-ads-51647877726 https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-revenue-ads-516478777...
  - bushbaba 4y ago
    The ad revenue is mostly on App Store searches, where the intent is provided during the request. That Ads devision can operate in a privacy first mindset while still seeing huge growth YoY. Where-as if Google operated in a don't be evil/privacy first mindset, they'd loose substantial revenue and likely no longer be profitable.
- forestwisp 4y ago
  > Apple designs with privacy in mind. I find that hard to believe when so many of their devices' functionality depends on you sending data over to them. Unless you go out of your way to make sure you're blocking all your devices from phoning home or sending any data over to Apple, then any supposed privacy benefit becomes a lie. Either you're the only owner of your data or your data is not, by definition, private to you.
  - wyre 4y ago
    I think this dogmatic take is pretty useless. For the vast majority of people icloud is a QoL increase that is worth not “owning” our data. All Apple does with our data is keep it safe (CSAM not included), but I would love to be proven wrong.

yaomtc 4y ago

OR you can opt for a version of Android without the proprietary bits like GrapheneOS.

redblacktree 4y ago
How accessible is that to your grandmother? Can you walk her through the process? (Are you willing to, given that now you'll be called if anything goes wrong?)
- yaomtc 4y ago
  Who said anything about grandmothers? GrapheneOS isn't for everyone. Neither is iOS, or Android with Google, or the Pinephone/Librem 5. And that is fine. It's good to have options.
  - redblacktree 4y ago
    What I was trying to imply is that privacy should be for everyone, not just those who are technically capable enough to install an alternative OS on their phone.
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bushbaba 4y ago

This is why Apple is going to continue to crush it. They can build a subpar equivalent to google services and a large portion of the tech world will adopt it for its privacy benefits. The 'tech world' is a large influencer to the general public, leading to further penetration. It's a great strategy as Google makes 80%+ of it's revenue from Ads, and their ad model does not work well with a privacy first mindset. Apple designs with privacy in mind. Google designs with invasiveness.

lapetitejort 4y ago
It should be noted that Apple also has an ad wing that brought in $4 billion in 2021 [0]. 0: https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-revenue-ads-51647877726 https://www.barrons.com/articles/apple-revenue-ads-516478777...
- bushbaba 4y ago
  The ad revenue is mostly on App Store searches, where the intent is provided during the request. That Ads devision can operate in a privacy first mindset while still seeing huge growth YoY. Where-as if Google operated in a don't be evil/privacy first mindset, they'd loose substantial revenue and likely no longer be profitable.
forestwisp 4y ago
> Apple designs with privacy in mind. I find that hard to believe when so many of their devices' functionality depends on you sending data over to them. Unless you go out of your way to make sure you're blocking all your devices from phoning home or sending any data over to Apple, then any supposed privacy benefit becomes a lie. Either you're the only owner of your data or your data is not, by definition, private to you.
- wyre 4y ago
  I think this dogmatic take is pretty useless. For the vast majority of people icloud is a QoL increase that is worth not “owning” our data. All Apple does with our data is keep it safe (CSAM not included), but I would love to be proven wrong.