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There must be no respite.

by tablespoon 4y ago

albatross13 4y ago
Toxic ads will continue until morale improves.
- raverbashing 4y ago
  don't forget to tell people who just bought an original DVD that pirating is wrong
  - albatross13 4y ago
    pirating is morally correct.
chrsig 4y ago
- SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
  Isn't that what Hulu subscribers did? They went to a company that dug a hole, stuck their heads inside, but now the hole inspectors have come and demanded that Hulu fill it in because nobody should be allowed to stick their head in a hole. As far as I'm aware, nobody's argued that Hulu has special characteristics that make it uniquely important to politics. The advocates' argument is simply that all platforms should have political advertising because politics is very important.
  - chrsig 4y ago
    By definition, if you want to escape reality, you need to disconnect from it. How can you expect disney, the largest entertainment company in the world, to disconnect you from reality? By using hulu at all you're explicitly opting into reality. By being on the internet at all, you're participating in reality. You can of course opt to participate in reality and try to adjust it to your liking. Most of it you have quite little control over, though.
    - dabbledash 4y ago
      "By using hulu at all you're explicitly opting into reality." I pay for the ad-free tier. I guess you can "opt out of reality" after all. And there's no real reason why a company can't exclude specific types of ads its customers are likely to find (particularly) annoying.
      - chrsig 4y ago
        You do understand that the content your consuming also attaches you to reality, right?
        dabbledash 4y ago
        Great. Then I guess desiring not to be inundated with political ads doesn't amount to a desire to avoid "being reminded that reality exists."
        chrsig 4y ago
        Being inundated with political ads is currently part of reality. Mere desire will not change that.
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > Being inundated with political ads is currently part of reality. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." So would you agree that reality in 2020 was having some asshole get in your face without a mask, and if you didn't like it, then you should have been reminded that "this is reality, deal with it"?
    - tomjen3 4y ago
      >How can you expect disney, the largest entertainment company in the world, to disconnect you from reality? Because they want my money? The entire point of Disney is disconnecting from reality.
- junofan 4y ago
  “reality” is an interesting term for the Party Line.
- newaccount2021 4y ago
- claytongulick 4y ago
  > there is no respite for being reminded that you exist in reality. In the place we go to explicitly and purposefully escape reality temporarily. Entertainment.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Until then, yes, there is no respite for being reminded that you exist in reality. What do you mean "reality"? We're talking about political issue ads here. Is it "reality" to be constantly nagged/threatened/scared to agree with all kinds of contradictory things in every possible place?
  - chrsig 4y ago
    > Is it "reality" to be constantly nagged/threatened/scared to agree with all kinds of contradictory things in every possible place? Yes. but also (in the US) that mass shootings are happening on an increasing basis, fascism is on the rise, women no longer have a right to abortion, corporations are given increasing amounts of personhood, the medical system is broken, infrastructure is falling apart, covid - and all that entails, a huge chunk of the population is brainwashed into thinking the election was rigged and refuses to acknowledge evidence to the contrary... but yeah, also, ads.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      So basically, everyone should be sea-lioned until you think the world doesn't have any more problems? > but yeah, also, ads. No, the issue isn't ads per se. No one's complaining here about some funny beer commercial. And frankly, ads are literally nothing but short-form propaganda, which makes them even more obnoxious and inappropriate for political issues.
      - chrsig 4y ago
        > So basically, everyone should be sea-lioned until you think the world doesn't have any more problems? Freedom of speech means putting up with people saying things that you don't agree with or want to hear. Deal with it. Stop using hulu, or pay more for more to opt out of advertisements. You do not have a right to ad-free entertainment. You live in a society where money talks and bullshit walks. It would seem that there's more money for disney in showing you those ads than they're making off of the people that may cancel their subscriptions due to running the ads.
- dabbledash 4y ago
  Why would that be acceptable if entertainment is not?
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WilTimSon 4y ago
There's always a respite, except people are not morally comfortable with pirating or using extensive ad blocking, it seems, though the latter is far more common, of course. Honestly, I see no issue in making it so that I don't ever have to see an advertisement if it can be avoided, especially a targeted advertisement. Same goes for pirating a piece of media if the licensed version has DRM. I'll pay for it, sure, but I'll pirate a copy and read/watch that. I pay for my Spotify account and I have no ads, I can listen to whatever music I want, that's the kind of service that makes me happy. I know that Spotify apparently has regional restrictions but I have not run into any of those yet, which might say something about my taste being narrow? Either way.
- poidos 4y ago
  I’ve seen many ads on paid Spotify. Large banners advertising podcasts on opening the app, a “podcasts to look at” row in the home page. They’re thankfully less frequent as of late, though.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    I hate this. My home screen used to display things like new releases I might like (separate from the release radar playlist). Now I more often see droves of podcasts I don't care about and have ever expressed interest in.
  - erulabs 4y ago
    Erm - those aren’t ads? If you’re already paying and there is product on the shelf of the store you’re already inside of… that’s just a product.
    - WilTimSon 4y ago
      Yeah, that's like saying YouTube's recommended videos are ads. Sure, they promote stuff, but they're a completely different category to the drivel they run before videos, where I have to watch commercials for products I'd never use. One is promoting the platform's content, one is going "Get yourself to Aldi and buy a pipe cleaner! Now!"
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There must be no respite.

albatross13 4y ago

Toxic ads will continue until morale improves.

raverbashing 4y ago
don't forget to tell people who just bought an original DVD that pirating is wrong
- albatross13 4y ago
  pirating is morally correct.

chrsig 4y ago

SpicyLemonZest 4y ago
Isn't that what Hulu subscribers did? They went to a company that dug a hole, stuck their heads inside, but now the hole inspectors have come and demanded that Hulu fill it in because nobody should be allowed to stick their head in a hole. As far as I'm aware, nobody's argued that Hulu has special characteristics that make it uniquely important to politics. The advocates' argument is simply that all platforms should have political advertising because politics is very important.
- chrsig 4y ago
  By definition, if you want to escape reality, you need to disconnect from it. How can you expect disney, the largest entertainment company in the world, to disconnect you from reality? By using hulu at all you're explicitly opting into reality. By being on the internet at all, you're participating in reality. You can of course opt to participate in reality and try to adjust it to your liking. Most of it you have quite little control over, though.
  - dabbledash 4y ago
    "By using hulu at all you're explicitly opting into reality." I pay for the ad-free tier. I guess you can "opt out of reality" after all. And there's no real reason why a company can't exclude specific types of ads its customers are likely to find (particularly) annoying.
    - chrsig 4y ago
      You do understand that the content your consuming also attaches you to reality, right?
      - dabbledash 4y ago
        Great. Then I guess desiring not to be inundated with political ads doesn't amount to a desire to avoid "being reminded that reality exists."
        chrsig 4y ago
        Being inundated with political ads is currently part of reality. Mere desire will not change that.
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > Being inundated with political ads is currently part of reality. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." So would you agree that reality in 2020 was having some asshole get in your face without a mask, and if you didn't like it, then you should have been reminded that "this is reality, deal with it"?
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    >How can you expect disney, the largest entertainment company in the world, to disconnect you from reality? Because they want my money? The entire point of Disney is disconnecting from reality.
junofan 4y ago
“reality” is an interesting term for the Party Line.
newaccount2021 4y ago
claytongulick 4y ago
> there is no respite for being reminded that you exist in reality. In the place we go to explicitly and purposefully escape reality temporarily. Entertainment.
tablespoon 4y ago
> Until then, yes, there is no respite for being reminded that you exist in reality. What do you mean "reality"? We're talking about political issue ads here. Is it "reality" to be constantly nagged/threatened/scared to agree with all kinds of contradictory things in every possible place?
- chrsig 4y ago
  > Is it "reality" to be constantly nagged/threatened/scared to agree with all kinds of contradictory things in every possible place? Yes. but also (in the US) that mass shootings are happening on an increasing basis, fascism is on the rise, women no longer have a right to abortion, corporations are given increasing amounts of personhood, the medical system is broken, infrastructure is falling apart, covid - and all that entails, a huge chunk of the population is brainwashed into thinking the election was rigged and refuses to acknowledge evidence to the contrary... but yeah, also, ads.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    So basically, everyone should be sea-lioned until you think the world doesn't have any more problems? > but yeah, also, ads. No, the issue isn't ads per se. No one's complaining here about some funny beer commercial. And frankly, ads are literally nothing but short-form propaganda, which makes them even more obnoxious and inappropriate for political issues.
    - chrsig 4y ago
      > So basically, everyone should be sea-lioned until you think the world doesn't have any more problems? Freedom of speech means putting up with people saying things that you don't agree with or want to hear. Deal with it. Stop using hulu, or pay more for more to opt out of advertisements. You do not have a right to ad-free entertainment. You live in a society where money talks and bullshit walks. It would seem that there's more money for disney in showing you those ads than they're making off of the people that may cancel their subscriptions due to running the ads.
dabbledash 4y ago
Why would that be acceptable if entertainment is not?

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WilTimSon 4y ago

There's always a respite, except people are not morally comfortable with pirating or using extensive ad blocking, it seems, though the latter is far more common, of course. Honestly, I see no issue in making it so that I don't ever have to see an advertisement if it can be avoided, especially a targeted advertisement. Same goes for pirating a piece of media if the licensed version has DRM. I'll pay for it, sure, but I'll pirate a copy and read/watch that. I pay for my Spotify account and I have no ads, I can listen to whatever music I want, that's the kind of service that makes me happy. I know that Spotify apparently has regional restrictions but I have not run into any of those yet, which might say something about my taste being narrow? Either way.

poidos 4y ago
I’ve seen many ads on paid Spotify. Large banners advertising podcasts on opening the app, a “podcasts to look at” row in the home page. They’re thankfully less frequent as of late, though.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  I hate this. My home screen used to display things like new releases I might like (separate from the release radar playlist). Now I more often see droves of podcasts I don't care about and have ever expressed interest in.
- erulabs 4y ago
  Erm - those aren’t ads? If you’re already paying and there is product on the shelf of the store you’re already inside of… that’s just a product.
  - WilTimSon 4y ago
    Yeah, that's like saying YouTube's recommended videos are ads. Sure, they promote stuff, but they're a completely different category to the drivel they run before videos, where I have to watch commercials for products I'd never use. One is promoting the platform's content, one is going "Get yourself to Aldi and buy a pipe cleaner! Now!"

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