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Bitch all you want. No really. Do it. If you don't like the word, fine, use criticise in its place. Criticise ALL you want. Do it. Nothing is above reasoned cri

by harry8 4y ago

Bitch all you want. No really. Do it. If you don't like the word, fine, use criticise in its place. Criticise ALL you want. Do it. Nothing is above reasoned criticism. Including my criticism of critics of signal who deride the choices made without acknowledging that the person who led those choices and the team and ultimately took responsibility for those choices also succeeded where nobody else had on a scale that is ridiculously large. "I believe signal could have been as resoundingly successful in bringing e2e encryption to the masses as it was if it had done X and Y differently and tweaked Z." Is quite different to the critics around here who filled a page with comments without anyone acknowledging that they did pretty good in this one dimension. (Did ok in some others too, imho, but this one dimension is off the damn charts and there can be zero argument about that. They did it when it hadn't been done). So yeah, go right ahead, bitch all you like about my bitching about the bitching going on about signal. Please do. Nobody is being abused or disrespected here except maybe Moxie. I reckon it's happening to Moxie. Often.

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jvanderbot 4y ago
It appears to me "Bitch all you want but ... " [emphasis mine] has changed meanings between GGP and this comment. From "You can grumble all you want in this article but those complaints pale in comparison to Signals contributions which are above your trivial reproach." To "No product is above reproach, your complaints are entirely valid and I was saying this all along." It's also possible I just missed the entire point of GGP entirely, for which I apologize if so.
- harry8 4y ago
  > in this article > those complaints pale in comparison > Signals contributions which are above your trivial reproach There's the problem. I never said that or indeed anything like it. Quotes are really out of line there. Eg Never mentioned TFA. Never said complaints were invalid, never described all reproach as trivial in comparison. > your complaints are entirely valid and I was saying this all along. Nope not that either. Actually read it again maybe, just what it actually says? When considering criticism of decisions that led to a billion people using e2e encryption and not mentioning that those decisions directly led to a billion people using e2e encryption then yeah, maybe think about whether that criticisim has been well thought out. At the time of writing there were about 50-100 comments all critical of signal policy and app functioning with nobody mentioning even once that maybe some aspects of that policy, yeah, they actually worked a little bit in a way that was pretty useful. >It's also possible I just missed the entire point of GGP entirely, for which I apologize if so. Fair. I'm sure that's general it should be and not directed to me.

by harry8 4y ago

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jvanderbot 4y ago

It appears to me "Bitch all you want but ... " [emphasis mine] has changed meanings between GGP and this comment. From "You can grumble all you want in this article but those complaints pale in comparison to Signals contributions which are above your trivial reproach." To "No product is above reproach, your complaints are entirely valid and I was saying this all along." It's also possible I just missed the entire point of GGP entirely, for which I apologize if so.

harry8 4y ago
> in this article > those complaints pale in comparison > Signals contributions which are above your trivial reproach There's the problem. I never said that or indeed anything like it. Quotes are really out of line there. Eg Never mentioned TFA. Never said complaints were invalid, never described all reproach as trivial in comparison. > your complaints are entirely valid and I was saying this all along. Nope not that either. Actually read it again maybe, just what it actually says? When considering criticism of decisions that led to a billion people using e2e encryption and not mentioning that those decisions directly led to a billion people using e2e encryption then yeah, maybe think about whether that criticisim has been well thought out. At the time of writing there were about 50-100 comments all critical of signal policy and app functioning with nobody mentioning even once that maybe some aspects of that policy, yeah, they actually worked a little bit in a way that was pretty useful. >It's also possible I just missed the entire point of GGP entirely, for which I apologize if so. Fair. I'm sure that's general it should be and not directed to me.