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Wha? Is it bad to quote yourself twice in the same thread? "... success of literally ever other attempt to bring e2e to the masses." Attempt to bring e2e to

by harry8 4y ago

Wha? Is it bad to quote yourself twice in the same thread? "... success of literally ever other attempt to bring e2e to the masses." Attempt to bring e2e to the masses. How many actually using it is that metric. Before open whisper & signal: how about number of people I knew with whom I could communicate securely with using pgp. 1. Total number of people in the world who could do it. A few thousand tops? You reckon it got to 10k, 100k. I can't imagine it got anywhere near a million... Today: Number of people doing it everyday without thinking about it. Over a billion. Sometimes metrics are so overwhelming that you have to tip your hat to it. This says nothing about any other dimensions of analysis other than "Number of people actually using e2e." It's a hell of a metric we can give credit to Moxie & co. for. That /one/ dimension is just wow. People tried before, for decades. It just didn't work out on that one metric. Something would have to be pretty bad to make that metric not dominate the discussion of overall success. But yeah, this is just the success of getting people using e2e and it's a massive achievement.

nadmone 4y ago
Most of those people aren't using Signal but the Signal Protocol. When people say they want different identities, infrastructure or clients what they are essentially saying is they want to use the Signal Protocol but they aren't Facebook. They can't spent millions on development and maintenance so instead they want to integrate with the existing ecosystem. Signal being successful because it is implemented by different parties and therefor used by many people seems more a counterargument to the state of Signal because it would suggest that Signal would be better if more people could use it for more things.
posterboy 4y ago
> Is it bad to quote yourself twice in the same thread? pretty bad, actually. The reported number of users does nit equate with number of securely e2e protected users

by harry8 4y ago

nadmone 4y ago

Most of those people aren't using Signal but the Signal Protocol. When people say they want different identities, infrastructure or clients what they are essentially saying is they want to use the Signal Protocol but they aren't Facebook. They can't spent millions on development and maintenance so instead they want to integrate with the existing ecosystem. Signal being successful because it is implemented by different parties and therefor used by many people seems more a counterargument to the state of Signal because it would suggest that Signal would be better if more people could use it for more things.

posterboy 4y ago

> Is it bad to quote yourself twice in the same thread? pretty bad, actually. The reported number of users does nit equate with number of securely e2e protected users