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The ML thing would not surprise me at all. ML is so hot that if you know the buzzwords and have done some hello world project, someone will give you a job. It
by foobiekr 4y ago
The ML thing would not surprise me at all. ML is so hot that if you know the buzzwords and have done some hello world project, someone will give you a job. It is very much like "html coding" in 1999 and will probably have the same outcome.
- SamvitJ 4y agoHard disagree. ML is hard to break into, even with strong credentials. (Source: ML engineer)
- skrtskrt 4y agoI think they probably mean "ML engineering" as in training pre-existing models in jupyter notebooks, the new "data science". The people that actually create/engineer anything new and useful in ML is <1% of people that "work in ML".
- nightski 4y agoAre those positions real? It feels like once the model didn't work if you did not have the background to know why it wasn't working then you'd be in trouble real quick.
- skrtskrt 4y agoI mean the gap between understanding how to use different models effectively and developing new ones is massive. One is like sophomore year undergrad engineering, the other is like masters/PHD. And "understanding how to use the models effectively" is being generous for what gets a lot of these people in the door.
- jrumbut 4y agoI have no idea how these folks find their jobs when many top talents are struggling, but beyond getting in the door as a hire I've seen it get back out the door as a product (ML footgun as a service?). I don't have any hard numbers on this, but it's not rare.
- orzig 4y agoMy company gets an absolute a glut of applicants who did a Boot Camp or even Masters program into science, and rejects most before interviewing. We’re not Google either, in pay or prestige. So I’ll strongly object to your characterization based on extensive anecdotal evidence.
- kragen 4y agoWhat do you mean by "even Masters program into science"?
- barry-cotter 4y agoA Master’s degree in CS, like a bootcamp, is a negative signal about an applicant.
- haliskerbas 4y agoWhy? I did an engineering undergrad and MSCS part time so I could take some fun classes I wished to take in undergrad. What’s the negative signal in general?
- kragen 4y agoJust speculating, but maybe people interpret "Master's degree in CS" as "dropped out of a Ph.D. program because it was too hard"?
- barry-cotter 4y agoThe enormous majority of Master’s degrees awarded in most fields are for taught Master’s that bear far more resemblance to undergraduate study than Ph.D. preparation. Unless you know someone has a degree that is only possible to get if you were admitted to a Ph.D. programme the assumption should be that it’s a cat cow. There are exceptions, like GA Tech’s OMSCS, but unless you have excellent reason to believe otherwise an MA or MS can be assumed to be a university’s cash grab.