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This makes me wonder, is it possible that the pool of solutions available to Russia's leaders is objectively limited due to Russia's geopolitical and sociopolit

This makes me wonder, is it possible that the pool of solutions available to Russia's leaders is objectively limited due to Russia's geopolitical and sociopolitical realities and they really don't have too much of a rational choice?

AlbertCory 4y ago
That's a point that deserves deeper study. They have (from memory) 13 countries on their borders, and almost no "natural" borders, e.g. rivers or mountain ranges. They have a history that's blood-curdling. Expecting a new czar to make it like Denmark is a bit much. The West tried in the 90s, and Boris Yeltsin is not remembered fondly over there. The emergence of gangster capitalism was the result.
- WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
  Yeltsin also has blood on his hands from the First Chechen War. Democracy a la russe…
- throw0101a 4y ago
  As opposed to any other Eastern/Central European country? Is (e.g.) Poland's history any less turbulent?
- icambron 4y ago
  I don’t think this is right. Germany, for example, has 9 countries on its borders and a blood-curdling history, and it’s a very pleasant place now. The idea that a country of 145M people lacking the agency to move forward doesn’t pass the smell test. I think it’s clear that Russia has some deeply-seated cultural problems that fuel this kind of thing. None of this, of course, makes the banishment of Russian cultural products (especially old ones) any more reasonable. We’ve got to get better at separation of concerns.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Germany had good reasons for their actions in last century. Just remember the aggressions from likes of France... Historically thinking Ukraine is just continuation of constant wars in Europe.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      > Just remember the aggressions from likes of France What? We must not have the same history books. In none of the French-German wars was the German side (or Prussia before that, or the HRE even before) an innocent victim. And, to be clear, everyone sleepwalked into WWI, sure (though it wasn’t France’s fault any more than Germany’s), but there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for WWII. I cannot believe someone would even write that. > Historically thinking Ukraine is just continuation of constant wars in Europe. I grant you that. Though Russia’s justifications are about as credible as Hitler’s were.
  - AlbertCory 4y ago
    Well, no. Germany wasn't even united as a country until Bismarck. And it didn't grow to a gargantuan size by conquering neighboring, nearly empty lands.
  - IYasha 4y ago
    "Russia" has been destroyed, raped and pillaged many times and been under hostile foreign control for the last half millenia (yup, if you dig deep enough). Don't expect them to let go easily, lol. The fact that people survive there never fails to amaze me. * quotes because lands had different names back then.
- lovecg 4y ago
  All the west “tried” in the 90s was to use dubious political techniques to support the guy who believed in democracy so much so that he shot at the parliament with tanks and installed a “successor” we’re all familiar with. The west’s meddling is part of the reason we’re in this mess.
- riku_iki 4y ago
  > They have (from memory) 13 countries on their borders they have all of them on one side (Western border), and majority of these countries are small and weak. Comparing to Germany, which is surrounded by potential enemies (I am talking about pre WW2 time), Russia had significant advantage.
marcosdumay 4y ago
For some reason, Russia never had anything close to a democracy or any rights-enabling consequence of revolution. And that was certainly not for lack of revolutions. It may be a coincidence (getting rights for the people is hard), or due to some structural issue. I don't believe anybody knows the reason, but yeah, it may be external because when modern democracy first appeared it was concentrated geographically, what usually happens when the causes are larger than a single country.

AlbertCory 4y ago

That's a point that deserves deeper study. They have (from memory) 13 countries on their borders, and almost no "natural" borders, e.g. rivers or mountain ranges. They have a history that's blood-curdling. Expecting a new czar to make it like Denmark is a bit much. The West tried in the 90s, and Boris Yeltsin is not remembered fondly over there. The emergence of gangster capitalism was the result.

WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
Yeltsin also has blood on his hands from the First Chechen War. Democracy a la russe…
throw0101a 4y ago
As opposed to any other Eastern/Central European country? Is (e.g.) Poland's history any less turbulent?
icambron 4y ago
I don’t think this is right. Germany, for example, has 9 countries on its borders and a blood-curdling history, and it’s a very pleasant place now. The idea that a country of 145M people lacking the agency to move forward doesn’t pass the smell test. I think it’s clear that Russia has some deeply-seated cultural problems that fuel this kind of thing. None of this, of course, makes the banishment of Russian cultural products (especially old ones) any more reasonable. We’ve got to get better at separation of concerns.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Germany had good reasons for their actions in last century. Just remember the aggressions from likes of France... Historically thinking Ukraine is just continuation of constant wars in Europe.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > Just remember the aggressions from likes of France What? We must not have the same history books. In none of the French-German wars was the German side (or Prussia before that, or the HRE even before) an innocent victim. And, to be clear, everyone sleepwalked into WWI, sure (though it wasn’t France’s fault any more than Germany’s), but there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for WWII. I cannot believe someone would even write that. > Historically thinking Ukraine is just continuation of constant wars in Europe. I grant you that. Though Russia’s justifications are about as credible as Hitler’s were.
- AlbertCory 4y ago
  Well, no. Germany wasn't even united as a country until Bismarck. And it didn't grow to a gargantuan size by conquering neighboring, nearly empty lands.
- IYasha 4y ago
  "Russia" has been destroyed, raped and pillaged many times and been under hostile foreign control for the last half millenia (yup, if you dig deep enough). Don't expect them to let go easily, lol. The fact that people survive there never fails to amaze me. * quotes because lands had different names back then.
lovecg 4y ago
All the west “tried” in the 90s was to use dubious political techniques to support the guy who believed in democracy so much so that he shot at the parliament with tanks and installed a “successor” we’re all familiar with. The west’s meddling is part of the reason we’re in this mess.
riku_iki 4y ago
> They have (from memory) 13 countries on their borders they have all of them on one side (Western border), and majority of these countries are small and weak. Comparing to Germany, which is surrounded by potential enemies (I am talking about pre WW2 time), Russia had significant advantage.

marcosdumay 4y ago

For some reason, Russia never had anything close to a democracy or any rights-enabling consequence of revolution. And that was certainly not for lack of revolutions. It may be a coincidence (getting rights for the people is hard), or due to some structural issue. I don't believe anybody knows the reason, but yeah, it may be external because when modern democracy first appeared it was concentrated geographically, what usually happens when the causes are larger than a single country.