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I am also leaving Germany. Today I chatted with a Berliner who pointed out how loud and unsafe Berlin has become. Months ago I talked with a lady with kids that

I am also leaving Germany. Today I chatted with a Berliner who pointed out how loud and unsafe Berlin has become. Months ago I talked with a lady with kids that moved out cos too much drugs in parks. Not surprised to read your story! I am going to the land of tolerance and innovation: the Netherlands!

chefkoch 4y ago
If i was moving away from Germany because of too many drugs, the Netherlands wouldn't be my first choice.
- enviclash 4y ago
  Certainly the lady had a point, as you do. Berlin is not representative of Germany in almost any respect, or?
  - chefkoch 4y ago
    Sure, there is a open drug scene in parks in Berlin, but there is no such thing in Stuttgart or Munich. Historically the germans travelled to Holland to buy their drugs and it's still the main drug distribution hub in europe.
    - enviclash 4y ago
      I struggle to understand how come Dutch people allow such levels of drug production in ther soil.
      - chefkoch 4y ago
        One point is that Rotterdam is one the major ports in the world, also the wealth has always come from internal trade. Great infrastructure, near to the bigger consumer countries and also not so densly populated rural areas where you can hide labs.
      - krageon 4y ago
        What is there to understand? Drugs = money
        enviclash 4y ago
        Such a small country full of illegal production points. I guess there is sufficient data to find them, I am sure others with geospatial experience share this thought.
    - krageon 4y ago
      It's the main distribution hub, but for usage as long as you stay away from Amsterdam it is really not bad. It's also the primary Ecstasy manufacturer for the EU, this is just a trade thing.
- darrrwin 4y ago
  It doesn't affect daily life much unless you live in the south or one of the big cities. Netherlands has higher taxes than Germany, there's also wealth tax and soon some others. But foreigners can deduct their taxes by 30% the first 5 years (the 30% ruling) Basically OP can move to these places without visa (excluding UK). https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/38/10/c63810cb1a63e652983533e0a67b411a.png https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/38/10/c63810cb1a63e6529835...
cedricziel 4y ago
It's interesting: Why is everyone moving to Berlin in the first place? It is not a great city and yet it's compared to Germany as a whole.
- enviclash 4y ago
  This startled me 10y ago when I arrived to Hamburg: why was I only aware of Berlin? I think due to the (failed) international projection of the great diversity of cities and towns in Germany. Hamburg is a very nice place, and greatly unknown outside Germany.

chefkoch 4y ago

If i was moving away from Germany because of too many drugs, the Netherlands wouldn't be my first choice.

enviclash 4y ago
Certainly the lady had a point, as you do. Berlin is not representative of Germany in almost any respect, or?
- chefkoch 4y ago
  Sure, there is a open drug scene in parks in Berlin, but there is no such thing in Stuttgart or Munich. Historically the germans travelled to Holland to buy their drugs and it's still the main drug distribution hub in europe.
  - enviclash 4y ago
    I struggle to understand how come Dutch people allow such levels of drug production in ther soil.
    - chefkoch 4y ago
      One point is that Rotterdam is one the major ports in the world, also the wealth has always come from internal trade. Great infrastructure, near to the bigger consumer countries and also not so densly populated rural areas where you can hide labs.
    - krageon 4y ago
      What is there to understand? Drugs = money
      - enviclash 4y ago
        Such a small country full of illegal production points. I guess there is sufficient data to find them, I am sure others with geospatial experience share this thought.
  - krageon 4y ago
    It's the main distribution hub, but for usage as long as you stay away from Amsterdam it is really not bad. It's also the primary Ecstasy manufacturer for the EU, this is just a trade thing.
darrrwin 4y ago
It doesn't affect daily life much unless you live in the south or one of the big cities. Netherlands has higher taxes than Germany, there's also wealth tax and soon some others. But foreigners can deduct their taxes by 30% the first 5 years (the 30% ruling) Basically OP can move to these places without visa (excluding UK). https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/38/10/c63810cb1a63e652983533e0a67b411a.png https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/38/10/c63810cb1a63e6529835...

cedricziel 4y ago

It's interesting: Why is everyone moving to Berlin in the first place? It is not a great city and yet it's compared to Germany as a whole.

enviclash 4y ago
This startled me 10y ago when I arrived to Hamburg: why was I only aware of Berlin? I think due to the (failed) international projection of the great diversity of cities and towns in Germany. Hamburg is a very nice place, and greatly unknown outside Germany.